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Are we lacking aggression on defense?
Posted on 9/24/19 at 9:57 am
Posted on 9/24/19 at 9:57 am
It seems like the consensus is that Aranda is a smart coach, and I'm not denying that. I've listened to him talk enough and it seems agreed upon by many that he knows what he's talking about. However, have we fallen into that age old trope of our players overthinking things on defense?
Many of you will defend Aranda here saying that what we're doing "works". But, a lot of you also know something is "off". Could that be it? Looking for a discussion here.
Edit to add:
Could we solve some of our woes by blitzing much more? The Saints' historically found success by blitzing more, because usually the best way to beat the saints was to keep Brees on the sidelines AKA long drives. It's clear where our strength lies this year...why not force pressure, take mistakes when they're given to us, and get the ball in the hand of Joe more. If we give up the points, Joe has the ball again. But we're going to also cause more turnovers and sacks which could double down on leads.
Many of you will defend Aranda here saying that what we're doing "works". But, a lot of you also know something is "off". Could that be it? Looking for a discussion here.
Edit to add:
Could we solve some of our woes by blitzing much more? The Saints' historically found success by blitzing more, because usually the best way to beat the saints was to keep Brees on the sidelines AKA long drives. It's clear where our strength lies this year...why not force pressure, take mistakes when they're given to us, and get the ball in the hand of Joe more. If we give up the points, Joe has the ball again. But we're going to also cause more turnovers and sacks which could double down on leads.
This post was edited on 9/24/19 at 10:06 am
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Posted on 9/24/19 at 9:59 am to beantown
we are lacking Leadership on Defense.
no one has filled the void for Devin White, from a leadership standpoint.
no one has filled the void for Devin White, from a leadership standpoint.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 9:59 am to beantown
I think they are just not tackling well. That, and a few missed assignments here and there.
They can get much better, and I'm still hopeful that they will.
They can get much better, and I'm still hopeful that they will.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:00 am to beantown
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But, a lot of you also know something is "off"
Devin White shooting up the A gap
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:00 am to beantown
Ask Marcus Spears, linebacker play is hurting us, poor tackling and big plays. LSU can’t stop the big plays, whether it’s a long run or pass. His view!
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:01 am to Bacon84
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no one has filled the void for Devin White, from a leadership standpoint.
I'm guessing this is what we were hoping from Delpit.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:01 am to beantown
Absolutely. We aren't reading and reacting as aggressively as we have done in the past.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:03 am to TrueTigerTale
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linebacker play is hurting us, poor tackling and big plays.
I'm not saying the team isn't going to fix it, but this is obviously true.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:04 am to beantown
I think Divinity is a massive downgrade from White when it comes to signal calling. White was a terror physically, but he was also the brains of the defense last year. He was pretty good and checking into the correct alignment.
ETA: This is divinity’s first year in this role so it was to be expected. I think he may be in over his head though.
ETA: This is divinity’s first year in this role so it was to be expected. I think he may be in over his head though.
This post was edited on 9/24/19 at 10:06 am
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:05 am to beantown
It is absolutely an issue of leadership. We don't have the fire, its a bunch of guys who just want to make the big play, just want to make SC top 10. Not to mention the unexpected side effect of the offense being on fire, think about this, there is no DRIVE for the defense to make big stops when we are up by two touchdowns and the defense knows the offense can score basically at will. The fact of the matter is, because of these conditions, the defense is lazy.
In the past, the ONLY hope we had to win was to limit our opponent's ability to score. Now, we can probably out score anyone. The D may not realize this consciously but I assure you, its happening and its affecting their "fire"
In the past, the ONLY hope we had to win was to limit our opponent's ability to score. Now, we can probably out score anyone. The D may not realize this consciously but I assure you, its happening and its affecting their "fire"
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:07 am to beantown
24 points over 16 possessions isn’t that bad.
Sure, it could be better. But I think missing our entire starting D-line, one of our best linebackers and a starting safety is a bigger part of the problem than many people realize.
Hopefully most of them will be back in time for Florida.
Sure, it could be better. But I think missing our entire starting D-line, one of our best linebackers and a starting safety is a bigger part of the problem than many people realize.
Hopefully most of them will be back in time for Florida.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:09 am to beantown
It's a fair question imo. I've always been of the belief that when you have a highly efficient offense, you should just be ultra aggressive on defense to try to give your offense extra possessions and to make sure your defense isn't on the field for 19 play drives like they were against Texas. Although, I think this is another thing that we see change when we get all our players back and start playing real SEC games. Our defense always has an edge to them in those big SEC games, and it's possible that Aranda doesn't trust the 2nd stringers that have had to play yet in the absences of Lawrence, Logan, Chaisson, Divinity, and Harris. These are all reasons why this BYE followed by Utah State couldn't come at a better time. Aranda has been good at making adjustments his whole career, and now he has 3 weeks to tweak things before our next big test.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:14 am to beantown
If you're not getting pressure on the QB in your base defense, seems like more blitzing is the only answer. That is unless you want QB's to have all the time in the world to find an open receiver. Pick your poison! 
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:15 am to iamandykeim
I hope you're right.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:19 am to beantown
quote:
It seems like the consensus is that Aranda is a smart coach, and I'm not denying that. I've listened to him talk enough and it seems agreed upon by many that he knows what he's talking about. However, have we fallen into that age old trope of our players overthinking things on defense?
Many of you will defend Aranda here saying that what we're doing "works". But, a lot of you also know something is "off". Could that be it? Looking for a discussion here.
I think a large part of it is continuity. We have so many guys banged up, in and out of the lineup, that its hard to develop any consistency on defense. We haven't had all our studs healthy together for a full game yet.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:22 am to yimbeaux
We're scoring in an average of 1:45 which is insane
That gives the other teams more possessions and plays.
Points will follow- Saban realized this 5 years ago and took his medicine
That gives the other teams more possessions and plays.
Points will follow- Saban realized this 5 years ago and took his medicine
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:23 am to beantown
I believe Orgeron is trying to replicate what Clemson did.
They forced Tua to put together long, sustained drives. We are trying to play more zone, take away the deep ball and if he wants to hit those quick slants he has to do it like 7 times without an interception, tipped ball, dropped ball, etc instead of 1 and WR is off to the races.... Tua torched Clemson from 20-20 but they only scored 16. If you are scoring 40+ its okay if you give up alot of yards and point, just make a couple crucial plays and it doesn't matter. Tua is much more effective when he has the whole field to work with. When the field shrinks inside the 20, your safeties don't have to play super deep anymore. Its like playing with additional players.
They forced Tua to put together long, sustained drives. We are trying to play more zone, take away the deep ball and if he wants to hit those quick slants he has to do it like 7 times without an interception, tipped ball, dropped ball, etc instead of 1 and WR is off to the races.... Tua torched Clemson from 20-20 but they only scored 16. If you are scoring 40+ its okay if you give up alot of yards and point, just make a couple crucial plays and it doesn't matter. Tua is much more effective when he has the whole field to work with. When the field shrinks inside the 20, your safeties don't have to play super deep anymore. Its like playing with additional players.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:23 am to beantown
Dave has always been about trying to get somethign for nothing
So he is never going to be a jailhouse blitz guy (and there are very few elite DCs who are)
WE simply aren't beating our blocks. When we do send guys they aren't beating their blocks, which leaves us exposed.
So he is never going to be a jailhouse blitz guy (and there are very few elite DCs who are)
WE simply aren't beating our blocks. When we do send guys they aren't beating their blocks, which leaves us exposed.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:24 am to beantown
quote:
However, have we fallen into that age old trope of our players overthinking things on defense?
I think it could possibly be a bit of the opposite.
We seem to be maybe a bit too aggressive, at least in technique. Diving for knock out shots, not wrapping up, these have been killers on multiple drives and plays.
If anything, we may need to step back and focus on the fundamentals rather than just playing at a hundred miles an hour trying to win the game on every play.
As others have said, leadership on the field needs to improve as well, something that isn’t surprising given the obvious hole in the middle where Devin White used to be.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:25 am to beantown
All just a bunch of pussies!
I kid;)
I kid;)
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