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re: D. Johnson or L. Bell

Posted on 8/23/19 at 5:11 pm to
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 5:11 pm to



David Johnson only had two RB1 PPR weeks last year, he wasn’t fine

They played at one of the slowest paces in the league last year. The hope is KK ramps up the pace. He doesn’t have to be great as long as he maintains his touch % in an offense that runs more plays
Posted by dj30
New Orleans
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 5:21 pm to
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The hope is KK ramps up the pace. He doesn’t have to be great as long as he maintains his touch % in an offense that runs more plays


Hey, if yall want to spend your 1st round pick on this, then go right ahead. The oline is terrible and he is terrible in pass protection.
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 5:31 pm to
I said weeks ago he was late 1, early 2 pick. But if you don’t think the volume and the RZ touches don’t matter than idk what to say

You said he was a 5th rd pick and Tevin Coleman better
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 5:34 pm to
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David Johnson only had two RB1 PPR weeks last year, he wasn’t fine



Where are you getting that info??

He had seven weeks above 16 points according to Sleeper’s game log
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 5:51 pm to
My spreadsheet

Week 10 he was RB1 with at 37.3 points
Week 15 he was RB11 with with 19.1 points

Those are the only weeks he returned RB1 value in 12 team PPR. Last year he returned more of Daryljames 3rd-4th rd kinda guy
Posted by dj30
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 7:35 pm to
This is a new offense, its not even guaranteed the volume will be there.

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You said he was a 5th rd pick and Tevin Coleman better


We dont even have to bring up Coleman, we can talk about someone like Mixon. There isnt a legit single argument that DJ will out produce him.
Posted by lpgreat1
Monroe, LA
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 7:45 pm to
So would the thread as a collective take Hopkins, for example, over either of these guys at 5?
Posted by dj30
New Orleans
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 8:31 pm to
I think Im going the receiver route at 5.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 9:41 pm to
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Last year he returned more of Daryljames 3rd-4th rd kinda guy



Again, he was RB9.

I just don’t see how RB9 going from one of the slowest paced offenses in the league to one of the highest paced isn’t a prime candidate for a jump, especially when catching passes is a strength.


That’s a knock on Bell as well. Gase has consistently run one of the slowest offenses in the league. That will hurt Bell’s production unless his efficiency is off the charts.
This post was edited on 8/23/19 at 9:46 pm
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 10:00 pm to
There is no one else there to get the volume and I like Mixon so I’m not gonna argue DJ over him. I hope you don’t like Coleman over Mixon? Coleman May not even lead that backfield in scoring dude

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Again, he was RB9. I just don’t see how RB9 going from one of the slowest paced offenses in the league to one of the highest paced isn’t a prime candidate for a jump, especially when catching passes is a strength


I’m not sure you’re following, I’m saying the same thing for this season. He was RB9 last year, but he scored nearly a quarter of his pints in 2 games. I’m more interested in his week to week production


And gase has ran up tempo when he has the personnel. See Denver with Peyton. He’s run slow w shite personnel. He’s already running up tempo and no huddle this preseason when darnold is in the game
Posted by Fenwick86
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 11:25 pm to
quote:

David Johnson only had two RB1 PPR weeks last year, he wasn’t fine


But ultimately, on the worst team in the league, he rushed for 940 yards with 50 receptions and 10 total TDs. I drafted freaking Leonard Fournette with my first round pick last season. DJ under performed for where he was drafted but still, not bad all things considered.

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The hope is KK ramps up the pace


Yeah, which would put him in line for a big season. More uncertainty surrounding Bell IMO.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 11:30 pm to
I’m not saying he’s going to be worse. I just don’t think he’s worthy of a first round pick. A lot of his value is based off an unproven commodity at QB.

I think KK’s offense will work but I’m not sure Murray is going to run the offense well enough to get DJ up to top 5 player status. Some people, a lot of people actually, are high on Murray. I’m not.
Posted by dj30
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2006
28842 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 11:49 pm to
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I hope you don’t like Coleman over Mixon? Coleman May not even lead that backfield in scoring dude



Coleman is the lead back in one of the 5 most rb friendly offenses in the NFL. DJ is in a offense who has the worst offensive line, rookie qb, and a team who might not win one game this season. Just cant bank my 1st round pick on the team hopefully passing a lot because they will be behind.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 8/24/19 at 7:10 am to
Couldn’t you say the same about Saquon?
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 8/24/19 at 8:39 am to
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Coleman is the lead back


You haven’t dove in to your draft prep yet huh
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 8/24/19 at 8:42 am to
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You haven’t dove in to your draft prep yet huh


Im convinced he’s trolling at this point
Posted by dj30
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 8/24/19 at 9:19 am to
Players like Eli, Flacco are known to dumpoff. D Jones would bring some uncertainty.
Posted by dj30
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2006
28842 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 9:34 am to
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You haven’t dove in to your draft prep yet huh


Im confident, but even so his draft position reflects this.
Posted by dj30
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2006
28842 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 9:40 am to
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Im convinced he’s trolling at this point



What is there to troll about? I have my draft board and David Johnson is way down on it. I have Gurley really high. There are plenty of fantasy "experts" who are avoiding Bell. Its not a hot take if a person isnt high on a certain player.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13865 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 9:54 am to
But it is a hot take when youre basing it off of completely irrational takes. Then you list two players with gigantic question marks in Gurley and Bell, way more so then DJ does, yet you have DJ as a fifth round grade and Bell/Gurley as 1-2 rd, then hammer it home by putting stock in Coleman in a crowded and completely unknown backfield over a player like DJ that will have a tone of volume, a safe floor, and an extremely high ceiling. Your reasons are because you dont trust Murray, KK offense, and the line, which are all a better situation than last season where DJ still produced with half of his projected targets in what this offense is highly likely to be. Bad/rookie QB (your opinion), bad O-line? What could be more inviting to that system then a RB with great hands as a safety net for checkdowns and underneath work with zero competition in the backfield? We all know that drafting early is about mitigating risk, and I dont see how you feel Gurley, Bell, and Tevin Freaking Coleman dont have at least as much if not more risk then DJ this season
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