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re: Ed Orgeron meddles with the offense?
Posted on 8/7/19 at 2:50 pm to The Pirate King
Posted on 8/7/19 at 2:50 pm to The Pirate King
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How can a program have championship expectations every single year with 3 championships in 125 years of play?
why are you using this argument when you know it is disingenuous?
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 2:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
The top?
Pretty sure LSU hasn't finished higher than 2nd since 2012.
Pretty sure LSU hasn't finished higher than 2nd since 2012.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 2:54 pm to PP7WasInbounds
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The top?
Pretty sure LSU hasn't finished higher than 2nd since 2012.
What are you talking about?
Posted on 8/7/19 at 2:56 pm to RogerTheShrubber
You said that it is a tall order to claw to the top in this environment, this environment being the SEC West.
However, LSU has not even gotten to second in the division in the past 6 years, much less first.
However, LSU has not even gotten to second in the division in the past 6 years, much less first.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 2:57 pm to The Pirate King
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How can a program have championship expectations every single year with 3 championships in 125 years of play?
Because two of those championships have been won in the past 16 of those 125 years. Expectations have changed.
Minnesota has 7 national championships in the same time period. Should we just relegate ourselves to their status since they've obviously been a much better program historically? Get out of here with this tortured logic.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 2:58 pm to nitwit
So why does everyone compare what O has done to Miles????? He is long gone and why not just support the coach we have now....... I am not a O fan as far as the hire. But tons on here would rather bash him based on what the last coach did instead of what HE has done... the worst part is that most on here think they know SOOOO much about football that they could do a better job than O is doing.....
Posted on 8/7/19 at 2:58 pm to PP7WasInbounds
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You said that it is a tall order to claw to the top in this environment, this environment being the SEC West.
However, LSU has not even gotten to second in the division in the past 6 years, much less first.
Ok, since I cannot read your mind that's kind of important to know.
But does the latter part of the statement do to disagree with what I said?
We are in a better position than we've been since 2013
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 8/7/19 at 3:00 pm to MightyYat
I’d love to know how many head coaches just let their OC do what they want with no questions asked?
Only those that know they are already fired
Only those that know they are already fired
Posted on 8/7/19 at 3:01 pm to PP7WasInbounds
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why are you even bothering to respond to this guy?
The board as a whole needs to collectively not respond to this poster since for whatever reason he is allowed to post.
He is clearly here for no other reason to be harassing.
Why else would this alleged Buckeye fan claim to have insider knowledge about LSU and how they operate? He is clearly making stuff up, but instead of responding to his FAKE NEWS, we should all agree to not give him the time of day.
GEAUX TIGERS!
FTR, this guy IS NOT my alter, though I essentially approve of his message.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 3:01 pm to ecb
Agreed..... you think Saban doesn’t get involved in Bamas offense??????
Posted on 8/7/19 at 3:06 pm to dukke v
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So why does everyone compare what O has done to Miles?????
All I'd like...all I've ever asked for...is simply consistency in expectations.
That's it.
The reason Miles continues to get brought up, is because we are in a situation where the expectations placed upon the previous coach by many members of this board are not the same expectations being put on the current one.
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the worst part is that most on here think they know SOOOO much about football that they could do a better job than O is doing.....
This is a terrible take, and would preclude literally anyone from critiquing another person if they are not in the same field. No more critiquing movies, music, politicians, etc.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 3:07 pm to dukke v
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Agreed..... you think Saban doesn’t get involved in Bamas offense??????
I don't have a problem with any head coach getting involved with their offense. But people shouldn't take exception to the fact that they're going to be criticized for the results if they're not up to par.
People can't just dump everything at the feet of the OC when the results are bad. The HC shares some of the blame, because again, he's involved too. The coach here shares blame with Canada's and E's struggles.
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 8/7/19 at 3:10 pm to dukke v
I don't think this is a mystery.
A lot of folks didn't like the hire and expected a step up from the guy we just fired for unacceptable performance (Miles). Perfectly logical, if I am understanding you correctly.
A lot of folks didn't like the hire and expected a step up from the guy we just fired for unacceptable performance (Miles). Perfectly logical, if I am understanding you correctly.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 3:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
That I don't think there is anyone "expecting" LSU to win the west every year.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 3:28 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Just to be clear...you're saying that if we don't even win the SECW after 5 full seasons under Orgeron, the only repercussions should be a very hot seat going into his 6th full season?
Or making the playoffs. The 3rd year is the show me year. So then 2 more years would complete the 3 years to make the playoffs. I get that Orgeron was handed a great situation, but I still believe that he gets 2 years to build the team he wants and his 3rd year the team should be very competitive in the West and in the playoff discussion in December.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 3:34 pm to ecb
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I’d love to know how many head coaches just let their OC do what they want with no questions asked?
Only those that know they are already fired
Dana Holgerson takes the headset off when they're on defense. Probably because he knows he doesn't understand defense anywhere near as well as the DC.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 3:52 pm to TigerLunatik
Good point...... you really think Bama would be as good as they are if Saban didn’t get involved with the offense??????
Posted on 8/7/19 at 4:03 pm to dukke v
Involved? Of course not. But, he's proven to know what to do with the offense. Orgeron, by his own admission, has made and/or forced wholesale changes with little success. I mean, last year he actually had Ensminger build the offense O wanted from scratch. Ensminger said the WR group was the strength of the team and that the RPO, no huddle style is the direction they were heading. Did we see any of that at the start of the year? I don't believe so, but we did at the end of the year and the offense was much better. Is it really out of the realm of possibility that Orgeron told E what to run in the beginning of the season and E finally convinced him otherwise at the end and that's why they went out and got Joe Brady? In my mind, if Brady and E are left alone to do their thing, this team is minimum 10-2 and squarely in the playoff discussion.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 4:18 pm to dukke v
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Good point...... you really think Bama would be as good as they are if Saban didn’t get involved with the offense??????
Yes but every coach is not equally as good with helping their offense. Some should be heavily involved and others should have minimal involvement.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 4:26 pm to TigerLunatik
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Is it really out of the realm of possibility that Orgeron told E what to run in the beginning of the season and E finally convinced him otherwise at the end
Thats plausible, so are several other theories such as that's the direction there were headed with a QB who had been with the team a couple of months and practiced for a month with the team.
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