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Posted on 7/30/19 at 4:18 pm
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Posted on 7/30/19 at 4:23 pm to El Mattadorr
Criticisms:
1. No real plan for progressive overload. For me, this is a complete nonstarter.
2. A lot of exercise variety for reasons I'm not clear on.
3. I'm not a fan of once a week per bodypart routines.
It seems very bodybuilding based, but I do like that it has deadlifts and squats. Personally, I'd pare down the exercises and move to a 2x frequency for body part.
You definintely need a progressive overload concept.
1. No real plan for progressive overload. For me, this is a complete nonstarter.
2. A lot of exercise variety for reasons I'm not clear on.
3. I'm not a fan of once a week per bodypart routines.
It seems very bodybuilding based, but I do like that it has deadlifts and squats. Personally, I'd pare down the exercises and move to a 2x frequency for body part.
You definintely need a progressive overload concept.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 4:50 pm to Rep520
Would you recommend the 5x5 program supplemented with a few auxiliary lifts (calf raises, curls/tricep work)? I've been considering trying that instead.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 5:30 pm to El Mattadorr
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Would you recommend the 5x5 program supplemented with a few auxiliary lifts (calf raises, curls/tricep work)? I've been considering trying that instead.
Depends on where you are. A true intermediate, IMO, isn't about how long you've been lifting, but whether you're still capable of linear progress.
If you are, yeah, I'd definitely think 5x5 is superior. It has progressions and is built to get you faster, stronger.
If not, you might want to look into Texas Method or another truer intermediate program. TM drops the progressive overload bar from every workout to every week.
Posted on 7/30/19 at 5:43 pm to El Mattadorr
First what are your goals? What are your stats and how long have you been lifting? What is your diet like? Macros?
Posted on 7/30/19 at 7:36 pm to lsu777
I'm in pretty average shape, just want to be stronger and have a more athletic-looking physique. I lifted throughout high school (played baseball) but was always very weak. Didn't pick up a weight in college but lifted briefly during grad school. Have only recently decided to take it seriously.
5'11", 182 lbs., 27 years old
Bench 205
Not sure of squat max because have only recently stopped being a pussy and begun squatting again. I could rep 225 six or seven times I believe. I'm weak in the lower half and have chicken legs.
I eat healthy but I don't think I eat enough to put on a bunch of mass. I have 50g from protein shakes per day. I have Kashi plant-based protein cereal for breakfast with 0% milk, plus an apple. I often skip lunch (big error I know) and consume most of my calories after evening workout. Usually pan-seared chicken, greens, and rice for dinner. I know I need to start tracking macros in order for you to properly advise me. I will begin doing that tomorrow. What's a good app for that?
5'11", 182 lbs., 27 years old
Bench 205
Not sure of squat max because have only recently stopped being a pussy and begun squatting again. I could rep 225 six or seven times I believe. I'm weak in the lower half and have chicken legs.
I eat healthy but I don't think I eat enough to put on a bunch of mass. I have 50g from protein shakes per day. I have Kashi plant-based protein cereal for breakfast with 0% milk, plus an apple. I often skip lunch (big error I know) and consume most of my calories after evening workout. Usually pan-seared chicken, greens, and rice for dinner. I know I need to start tracking macros in order for you to properly advise me. I will begin doing that tomorrow. What's a good app for that?
Posted on 7/30/19 at 7:50 pm to El Mattadorr
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What's a good app for that?
Google lean gains calculator and get your macros from that. Download myfitnesspal and manually set your macros to what you got from the LG calculator
Posted on 7/30/19 at 9:20 pm to El Mattadorr
I'll address more the workout programming.
If you only recently started squatting, a 5x5 or other linear program like Greyskull or Candito Linear is the right choice.
If you've been benching more than squatting, the only issue you'll see is you'll plateau faster in bench than squat. So long as you plan for that, linear is the right way to go.
I'd recommend looking at Greyskull, Candito and the 5x5 variant you like. As long as you have a legit 5x5 variant, those will all achive your strength/mass goals.
Nutritionally, 777 knows his stuff, so I won't touch that.
If you only recently started squatting, a 5x5 or other linear program like Greyskull or Candito Linear is the right choice.
If you've been benching more than squatting, the only issue you'll see is you'll plateau faster in bench than squat. So long as you plan for that, linear is the right way to go.
I'd recommend looking at Greyskull, Candito and the 5x5 variant you like. As long as you have a legit 5x5 variant, those will all achive your strength/mass goals.
Nutritionally, 777 knows his stuff, so I won't touch that.
Posted on 7/31/19 at 9:22 am to El Mattadorr
1. If you do only 2-3 reps of 6-10, that means on some you'll only get 12 reps a week total. Even at heavy weight, thats not enough reps. I would do at min 30 reps.
2. He put deadlifts and pullups in the middle of his back day. Do the big compounds lifts first, they take more energy. Also, 1 set of 12-15 on deadlifts? GTFO.
3. On shoulder day he starts out with 2 different shoulder presses and on leg day he starts with squats then leg presses. I always rest muscles i just used and do something a little different between them. I'v never done 2 diff shoulder presses in a day. That seems like a lot.
2. He put deadlifts and pullups in the middle of his back day. Do the big compounds lifts first, they take more energy. Also, 1 set of 12-15 on deadlifts? GTFO.
3. On shoulder day he starts out with 2 different shoulder presses and on leg day he starts with squats then leg presses. I always rest muscles i just used and do something a little different between them. I'v never done 2 diff shoulder presses in a day. That seems like a lot.
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:39 pm to bayou85
Thanks for the advice, Bayou. I decided to start the Stronglifts 5x5 program yesterday. Yesterday I did squat (175), bench (145), and barbell row (95). Started light on the row because I've never done that exercise before and want to get the form down. Do y'all start each rep with the bar on the ground, or get to a stationary back position and just pull with the elbows for each rep? I did the latter.
I'll go up 5 lbs. each workout unless y'all recommend differently. My plan is to implement isolation exercises for biceps, triceps, and calves as needed.
I'll go up 5 lbs. each workout unless y'all recommend differently. My plan is to implement isolation exercises for biceps, triceps, and calves as needed.
Posted on 7/31/19 at 1:47 pm to El Mattadorr
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Do y'all start each rep with the bar on the ground, or get to a stationary back position and just pull with the elbows for each rep? I did the latter.
Depends. Both are valid. Bar on ground is a Pendlay row. Pendlay rows will limit the weight you can use.
Stationary back is fine and allows for more weight and faster progressions. I'd use whichever feels more comfortable.
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I'll go up 5 lbs. each workout unless y'all recommend differently.
That's a solid, standard progression. The only other piece of advice I'd have is plan for a strategy to employ if you stall early.
If I don't plan for a stall until I hit it, I wind up doing something stupid. A common approach is a deload week and resetting at 10 LB below your previous level.
Posted on 7/31/19 at 2:42 pm to El Mattadorr
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Started light on the row because I've never done that exercise before and want to get the form down. Do y'all start each rep with the bar on the ground, or get to a stationary back position and just pull with the elbows for each rep? I did the latter.
Thats the best plan. Go light until you can do a good amount of reps with perfect form. Form comes first.
I use the squat rack and rack it a little lower than my hands. Pick it up and step back to row. I like the machines but i feel more in my back. My mind/muscle connection is better in that movement. I also love the landmine (tbar row without the t bar). That one works you arms more tho.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 11:51 am to bayou85
My legs--specifically lower quads--are sore as frick today from squatting Tuesday. I can barely sit down to take a shite. Should I skip squat today and resume those Saturday or should I just go super light on squat today?
Posted on 8/1/19 at 11:56 am to El Mattadorr
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My legs--specifically lower quads--are sore as frick today from squatting Tuesday. I can barely sit down to take a shite. Should I skip squat today and resume those Saturday or should I just go super light on squat today?
I'd push through with planned weight as long as your form isn't compromised.
If you've not consistently squatted, soreness will be bad. Once you do it with some frequency, the soreness will be seriously limited.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 12:07 pm to Rep520
That's what I needed to hear. I'll stop being a little bitch.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 12:27 pm to El Mattadorr
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My legs--specifically lower quads--are sore as frick today from squatting Tuesday. I can barely sit down to take a shite. Should I skip squat today and resume those Saturday or should I just go super light on squat today?
If you just started squatting, soreness in going to happen and be bad. Squatting again will help. Blood flow and stretching the muscle will help recovery. Stay away from alcohol and get plenty of sleep. That'll help speed up the repair.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 5:57 pm to Rep520
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3. I'm not a fan of once a week per bodypart routines.
My favorite: Destroy the BP and rest.
I would always go:
D1: Chest
D2: Back
D3: Shoulders
D4: Biceps
D5: Triceps
D6: Legs
D7: Rest
Posted on 8/1/19 at 7:21 pm to bayou85
I'm really glad I took y'all's advice and squatted my scheduled weight. First few reps were tough but one I got the blood flowing it was way better. Got in all my reps.
My legs are at least 2" thicker from Tuesday, my penis is 1" longer, and I perpetually smell like pine needles and old leather.
My legs are at least 2" thicker from Tuesday, my penis is 1" longer, and I perpetually smell like pine needles and old leather.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 8:32 pm to El Mattadorr
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I'm really glad I took y'all's advice and squatted my scheduled weight. First few reps were tough but one I got the blood flowing it was way better. Got in all my reps.
Nice, way to go for it!
One other recovery thing, if you have access to a exercise bike, 8-10 minutes of light biking the day after squats helps cycle through the soreness much faster.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 8:39 pm to Rep520
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if you have access to a exercise bike, 8-10 minutes of light biking the day after squats helps cycle through the soreness much faster.
Is an Assault Bike good for this?
Asking for a friend,
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