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re: Dr who was once an evolutionist explains why mankind is no accident

Posted on 7/4/19 at 10:09 pm to
Posted by bfniii
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Posted on 7/4/19 at 10:09 pm to
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The whole reason Jesus came was to save mankind from sin and death
spiritual death not physical death.

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Evolution is not compatible in the slightest with the Bible
did you know that billy graham was a theistic evolutionist? i'm pretty sure you don't know more about the christian faith than he does.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 7/4/19 at 11:31 pm to
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did you know that billy graham was a theistic evolutionist? i'm pretty sure you don't know more about the christian faith than he does.


Billy Graham did not hold to a strict literalist interpretation of Genesis.

Now again this still leaves the problem of death predating sin, but at least it’s not so laughable as to be immediately dismissed. OT literalism is so incompatible with reality it’s not worth taking the time to debate, as anyone trying to reconcile the two or endorse YEC has abandoned reason for the sake of belief.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 7/4/19 at 11:34 pm to
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spiritual death not physical death.



The Bible is very clear that physical death is the result of original sin. The fossil record proves both humans and non-human animals have been dying far longer than the time scope of the Biblical account. Modern humans existed for around 190,000 years prior to the time of Genesis.
This post was edited on 7/4/19 at 11:35 pm
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 7/5/19 at 12:05 am to
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The whole reason Jesus came was to save mankind from sin and death

spiritual death not physical death.

Both physical and spiritual death occurred through Adam's sin. 1 Corinthians 15 teaches us this if you want to think Romans 5 is only talking about spiritual death.

Bottom line is that the Bible teaches that death itself came into the world after mankind sinned, which directly contradicts evolutionary theory.

Evolutionary theory is full of assumptions that don’t actually have a basis in its own worldview, such as induction (uniformity of nature), which is vital to the scientific method. There is no reason why induction should exist in a chaotic and random universe. Evolutionary theory presupposes a naturalistic and materialistic view of origins, yet such a worldview cannot account for immaterial laws like math and science. They just have to assume them to exist as part of nature, though they shouldn’t exist if naturalistic materialism were true (where do you go to see or touch a law or principle?)

Then you get to ethics. If evolutionary theory is true, what we do is a product of what we are, which is a bag of purposeless meat, driven by chemical reactions. In such a world, there is no “good” or “evil”. We are just doing what we do based on those chemical reactions. We are just more advanced bottles of soda that are shaken up and the caps removed. Where is the morality in that? What one reaction does to another reaction is not classified in terms of morality.

Likewise what we see in nature is not moral or immoral. A lion killing a baby gazelle is not immoral. One tiger raping another is not immoral. One wolf stealing the food of another is not immoral. Therefore we, who have no greater value or purpose than any other animal, have no ultimate basis for morality. Morality is just a convention in this worldview that can be taken or left. Hitler wasn’t wrong, he just had a different view than Ghandi. His chemical reactions just worked differently than others. Morality, therefore, is just arbitrariness, in an atheistic, evolutionary worldview. You can dislike the actions of others but you have no basis to condemn them in this view.

On the contrary, we are made in the image of God with value and dignity. We have the moral law of God written on our hearts in the form of our consciences. We know good exists. We know evil exists. We act this way every day when we see atrocities and despise them. We know that God exists even if we suppress that truth. The world can only make sense if the Biblical God exists.
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