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Dribble, dribble, low percentage pass. Rinse. Repeat.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 6/30/19 at 9:40 pm
US soccer is really hard to watch. USMNT, USWNT, MLS.... All of it.
No movement, imagination, creativity, simplicity, technicality, or anything of the sort. It starts with the lack of development at the youth level, and continues through adulthood. There is no patience on the part of clubs and parents to teach the kids how to play with real ball movement. It's easy to play US style ball(see thread title) when young, and all that matters to these people is the record and stats.
Teaching real soccer to youth players takes patience and mental discipline. The records suffer for a while until the technical ability meets up with tactical movement. As a result, coaches don't bother trying.
The US will always suck at soccer until the mentality changes.
/rant
No movement, imagination, creativity, simplicity, technicality, or anything of the sort. It starts with the lack of development at the youth level, and continues through adulthood. There is no patience on the part of clubs and parents to teach the kids how to play with real ball movement. It's easy to play US style ball(see thread title) when young, and all that matters to these people is the record and stats.
Teaching real soccer to youth players takes patience and mental discipline. The records suffer for a while until the technical ability meets up with tactical movement. As a result, coaches don't bother trying.
The US will always suck at soccer until the mentality changes.
/rant
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Posted on 6/30/19 at 9:53 pm to SoulGlo
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The US will always suck at soccer until the mentality changes
This will hopefully change with time.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 9:54 pm to SoulGlo
And one of the genius commentator gurus of soccer just said the US keeper "is capable of sending the ball to the top of the 18 yard box..."
Donovan said "quit passing the ball around in the back and get it up the field."
frick me sideways. This will never end.
It's almost as painful to watch as the women, who play the same style but have no real competition so it works.
frick.
Donovan said "quit passing the ball around in the back and get it up the field."
frick me sideways. This will never end.
It's almost as painful to watch as the women, who play the same style but have no real competition so it works.
frick.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 9:58 pm to SoulGlo
I know we like to be doom and gloom here, especially after the USMNT shits the bed, but seeing more players like Paxton Pomykal, Weston McKennie, Chris Richards, Daniel Leyva, Griffin Yow, and Brendan Aaronson, etc. coming out of MLS academies gives me hope for the future. But yeah, we obviously have a ways to go...
Posted on 6/30/19 at 10:03 pm to BamaCoaster
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The US will always suck at soccer until the mentality changes
This will hopefully change with time.
I don't see it.
I develop players with that mentality, and they are beautiful to watch. As a group they aren't consistent enough to win a lot yet(one mistake or bad touch is very likely a goal the other way), and the parents get lured to bigger clubs by the records and stats. The players go and lose their technical and tactical abilities, becoming just another player due to lack of continual development.
I really only see it getting worse as future parents have less and less patience and attention spans. Instant gratification is the name of the game and despite a huge population to choose from, the US will get destroyed.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 10:08 pm to BamaCoaster
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This will hopefully change with time.
have you seen how USSF is run
nothing is going to change the way its run and how MLS is hand cuffed
MLS is improving other countries national teams but not our own.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 10:19 pm to SoulGlo
Well...we do keep trying to import asylum seekers.....eerrrr, future futbol players
Posted on 6/30/19 at 10:21 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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have you seen how USSF is run
Unfortunately, yes. Technical ability isn't stressed.......at all.
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nothing is going to change the way its run and how MLS is hand cuffed
No relegation, no real multiple levels of competition.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 10:48 pm to SoulGlo
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Unfortunately, yes. Technical ability isn't stressed.......at all.
This seems like an argument from 10 years ago that doesn't have the same legs to stand on today. None of the players I mentioned above are overly physical. They have excellent technique to go along with whatever level of athleticism they have. Paxton doesn't come across as incredibly athletic but his technique is miles better than most. It may not look better from where you're standing, but at least what the MLS academies are producing seems to be headed in the right direction.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 10:57 pm to cwil177
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but at least what the MLS academies are producing seems to be headed in the right direction.
That’s not enough to compete with the best in the world constantly
20 or so academies compared to countries with 100s or even thousands puts us way behind the 8 ball
Posted on 6/30/19 at 11:16 pm to StraightCashHomey21
It’s more than 20
Posted on 6/30/19 at 11:39 pm to cwil177
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They have excellent technique to go along with whatever level of athleticism they have
The ability to dribble better doesn't help much. They still dribble into the teeth of the other team and send a low percentage pass. Pulisic often drove me nuts as a Dortmund fan.
The US team can do what they did 10 years ago better than what they did 10 years ago. It's still shitty soccer.
The tactical mentality has to change. There's way too much "it's my turn with the ball so I need to beat a player or two then pass it" rather than "I don't have the ball yet so I will move into a passing Lane, identify the next high percentage pass before the ball gets to me, deliver the pass before opponent can react or challenge, and move."
A lot of these guys play exactly like the kids that step up from rec ball, only with more skill.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 11:42 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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20 or so academies compared to countries with 100s or even thousands puts us way behind the 8 ball
Doesn't matter how many we have if they teach the same fricking thing.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 11:48 pm to SoulGlo
You know what these MLS academies are teaching? You sound like quite the expert, so please educate us.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 11:58 pm to SoulGlo
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The US team can do what they did 10 years ago better than what they did 10 years ago. It's still shitty soccer.
Have you seen any of the U20 teams over the past few cycles? We've gone from mostly college kids to all pros/academy grads in less than 10 years. We've gone from being Mexico's bitch at that level to beating them handily in the past two iterations of the CONCACAF tournament and doing better than them in at the U20 WC. We are the only team in the world to get to the WC quarters in each of the past three tournaments. You seem hellbent on this idea that our academies aren't actually developing players, but evidence shows otherwise.
More and more academy players are getting playing time in MLS, USL, etc. Of our consensus top 3 players, 2 came from MLS academies and all 3 have the tactical acumen to be standout players in the Bundesliga.
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20 or so academies compared to countries with 100s or even thousands puts us way behind the 8 ball
Yeah man, we know. And how is it supposed to get there? How long has Europe had a functioning academy system? We've had one for 10 years. We can't just snap our fingers. It takes time. USL moving to a tiered structure with possible Pro/Rel will be neat, and many of those clubs have academies. It's getting there. Sorry USSF is a shite show and not taking your direct orders, but y'all are also acting like the progress is nonexistent.
And as I post this a 16 year old forward comes on for FC Dallas.
Posted on 7/1/19 at 12:05 am to cwil177
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You seem hellbent on this idea that our academies aren't actually developing players, but evidence shows otherwise.
He seems to be confusing the lack of an overall framework for a lack of talent. We've never been a team that plays the possession game that well, and it will take someone like Bielsa to implement it consistently.
Posted on 7/1/19 at 12:12 am to crazy4lsu
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We've never been a team that plays the possession game that well, and it will take someone like Bielsa to implement it consistently.
Mentality.
We have to build players that habitually think this way, from an early age. There's a reason why we haven't played the possession game well. It's not necessarily natural, and trying to break habits and the aforementioned tactical mentality at an older age is really tough to do. They often revert back to old habits when a tough situation presents itself.
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Posted on 7/1/19 at 12:21 am to crazy4lsu
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lack of talent.
As I said, it's not a lack of talent. The talent is developed and taught to play an inferior, outdated style of the game. It's like Les Miles has been running the curriculum for the entire soccer universe in the US for the last 50 years.
Posted on 7/1/19 at 12:22 am to SoulGlo
Even then, it's not as if the international game is particularly suited to the possession game. Spain was the only team to do it really well, and they had multiple generations of wasted talents before they got it right. The top international teams also can have more cogent identities than the US (and Mexico for that matter) because the nature of our federation means that we have to play two styles, one for the minnows and one for teams closer to our level, which means we aren't really superb at either style.
Posted on 7/1/19 at 12:27 am to SoulGlo
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The talent is developed and taught to play an inferior, outdated style of the game.
The long ball system isn't outdated. Nor is the low-block. The French played the low-block to great success.
The possession game, at the international level, is hit or miss. There is just as much reward in playing the low-block, counter-attacking game in the international game as there is the possession game. But the possession game requires a lot deeper roster than we have now. We don't really have a DLP that can progress play, nor do we have CB's who can play between the lines passes at a high level. The only team to really master it was Spain, and that took a lot of trial and error.
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