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Posted on 6/2/19 at 12:29 pm to josh336
Dude, don’t bring that kind of sensible post over to Tiger Rant. They’ll have pitchforks waiting for you.
Posted on 6/2/19 at 6:22 pm to Philippines4LSU
quote:Pardon my virtue signaling, but all of y’all who talk about that case like this are disgusting.
That guy who admitted to doing it is pitching in some independent Mexican league for chump change because no MLB-affiliated team would sign him, for whatever if anything that’s worth.
First and foremost, the alleged victim’s family agreed to a deal that guaranteed the case’s confidentiality, which was violated by state error. Therefore, gossiping about it violates a basic moral right of theirs that any half decent human should respect.
Second, we don’t know that the young man committed the crime. It was a plea bargain into which it isn’t unusual for innocent people without a lot of money to enter. He, too, was guaranteed a confidentiality that the state inadvertently violated.
Anybody who gossips about it at this point is basically getting off to it. Gross.
This post was edited on 6/2/19 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 6/2/19 at 6:26 pm to xiv
quote:
First and foremost, the alleged victim’s family agreed to a deal that guaranteed the case’s confidentiality, which was violated by state error.
Genuine question, could he not sue the state and attempt to recoup at least some of the money he lost out on by not being drafted because of this?
Posted on 6/2/19 at 6:40 pm to josh336
quote:bc we get a lot of SWAC 4 seeds who are easier than everyone else
Happens to a host almost every year. Something mainieri never gets credit for avoiding
Posted on 6/2/19 at 6:44 pm to BlackCoffeeKid
quote:Great question. Don’t know. I’d bet anything that that has a lot to do with why his expulsion from OREGON STATE University wasn’t considered.
Genuine question, could he not sue the state and attempt to recoup at least some of the money he lost out on by not being drafted because of this?
Posted on 6/2/19 at 6:52 pm to BlackCoffeeKid
quote:it's kind of hard to prove that you would have been drafted in a certain spot if you were eligible and weren't. That would open Pandora's box
Genuine question, could he not sue the state and attempt to recoup at least some of the money he lost out on by not being drafted because of this?
Posted on 6/2/19 at 6:54 pm to chalmetteowl
Eh, i'm sure you could prove you would have been drafted within a certain region based on scouting reports and would have earned on average some type of signing bonus based on that information.
ETA: While I agree with the Pandora's box, this situation seems slightly more cut and dry than usual.
ETA: While I agree with the Pandora's box, this situation seems slightly more cut and dry than usual.
This post was edited on 6/2/19 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 6/2/19 at 7:01 pm to BlackCoffeeKid
quote:
Genuine question, could he not sue the state and attempt to recoup at least some of the money he lost out on by not being drafted because of this?
What did the state do to him? If there was any error it's on Benton County.
An Oregonian reporter did a simple public records request. People have this idea it was a secret and his case was under lock and key. That's wrong. WA state doesn't seal all juvenile cases. His case wasn't sealed.
Pat Casey knew, the admins knew.
You think the scouts didn't know?
The reporter just made it so everyone knew and good on him for digging.
Posted on 6/2/19 at 7:03 pm to xiv
quote:
but all of y’all who talk about that case like this are disgusting.
quote:
the alleged victim’s family agreed to a deal that guaranteed the case’s confidentiality, which was violated by state error.
So, you're virtue signaling and don't know what you're talking about. Again....
Posted on 6/2/19 at 7:04 pm to LSUintheNW
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What did the state do to him? If there was any error it's on Benton County.
An Oregonian reporter did a simple public records request. People have this idea it was a secret and his case was under lock and key. That's wrong. WA state doesn't seal all juvenile cases. His case wasn't sealed.
This answers my question then. The way it was worded earlier made it seem confidential/not open to the public and was then somehow wrongfully released.
This post was edited on 6/2/19 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 6/2/19 at 7:07 pm to BlackCoffeeKid
quote:
This answers my question then. The way it was worded earlier made it seem confidential/not open to the public and was then somehow wrongfully released.
Didn't see the post but I know from the last 2 years on the topic that some still think his case was sealed. It wasn't. A simple public records request was all it took.
Posted on 6/2/19 at 8:40 pm to LSUintheNW
quote:Ironically, that’s my point. I’m definitely virtue signaling; none of us know the facts of the matter, other than that we aren’t supposed to know, much less gossip, about them.
So, you're virtue signaling and don't know what you're talking about.
At least I’m virtue signaling about something I know is true. MSBaws are virtue signaling about something that they sort of hope, in a twisted way, is true.
Posted on 6/2/19 at 8:47 pm to xiv
quote:
none of us know the facts of the matter,
quote:
First and foremost, the alleged victim’s family agreed to a deal that guaranteed the case’s confidentiality, which was violated by state error.
Some of us know more than others.
You've spewed incorrect info on the matter before and I've corrected you and provided links yet here you are continuing to spread incorrect info.
Posted on 6/2/19 at 8:56 pm to LSUintheNW
I remember. What I said is correct, but that’s not even the point. The alleged victim’s family is entitled to confidentiality, and they weren’t given it, so the decent thing to do is not anonymously discuss with other anonymous men online the alleged goings-on to which the young man plead guilty.
Virtue signaling is one thing, but virtue signaling at the expense of the alleged victim and her family is legitimately sick and disgusting. No two ways about that.
Virtue signaling is one thing, but virtue signaling at the expense of the alleged victim and her family is legitimately sick and disgusting. No two ways about that.
Posted on 6/2/19 at 11:24 pm to xiv
quote:
What I said is correct,
Nope. Links say otherwise.
quote:
I remember.
Doubling down on stupid, gotcha.
Have a good evening. You aren't worth the energy.
Posted on 6/2/19 at 11:31 pm to LSUintheNW
quote:You came to me.
You aren't worth the energy.
Posted on 6/2/19 at 11:52 pm to xiv
quote:
Second, we don’t know that the young man committed the crime. It was a plea bargain into which it isn’t unusual for innocent people without a lot of money to enter.
It wasn't about the money, who in their right mind wants to go through the publicity of a trial after being accused?
That would've followed him everywhere and not gotten recruited by any school EVEN IF he had been acquitted by a court of law.
Once he was accused, right-minded lawyers would tell him, you have a bright future - admit it for a lesser charge and seal it and make this stain go away.
That's what people don't realize. Everyone says, oh I would have fought it tooth and nail. Bullshite, once you go to trial innocent or guilty, the stain would've followed him and nobody would've recruited him. Guilty by accusation...happens a lot in society and especially in sports and especially in emotionally charged situations like this where nobody really cares about the outcome but simply the accusation.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 12:12 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:Let’s not kid ourselves. At the very least, the relative lack of money available to the accused limited his options severely.
It wasn't about the money, who in their right mind wants to go through the publicity of a trial after being accused?
But you’re pretty much right about everything else, all things considered. If it’s me and I’m innocent (and poor, though we differ on how much of an influence this was), and I can make this go away forever with a little paperwork here and there and staying away from the people who think I’m a child molester, and then I get to play baseball for tens of millions of dollars five years later...? No-brainer. Plea deal.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 12:23 am to xiv
There are certain crimes too toxic to avoid prolonged stain regardless of innocence.
You go to trial, this becomes public record and in the newspapers and nobody recruits this kid.
Plain and simple.
Even if he's later found not guilty.
Certain crimes the accusation is enough. And we all know this. Look at the comments on this board.
It wasn't a dumb move to take the plea but people act like pleas in this very real world we're living in are admissions of guilt.
People take pleas all the time just to get back to work or to move on with their lives.
If he had known his plea would eventually be made public, he certainly wouldn't have taken that deal and would've gone to trial becaUse what's the difference? At least a public trial would've given him the opportunity for a not guilty verdict, his name still tarnished, baseball career mostly over but he wouldn't have had to register as a sex offender.
The Prosecution dangled the sealed records as a carrot obviously and that sounds good to someone with a future in collegiate sports who doesn't want their name dragged through the mud in the papers before they can get there.
People who say, I would never take this deal if I was innocent aren't reading the papers and don't understand how our society or legal justice system works.
You go to trial, this becomes public record and in the newspapers and nobody recruits this kid.
Plain and simple.
Even if he's later found not guilty.
Certain crimes the accusation is enough. And we all know this. Look at the comments on this board.
It wasn't a dumb move to take the plea but people act like pleas in this very real world we're living in are admissions of guilt.
People take pleas all the time just to get back to work or to move on with their lives.
If he had known his plea would eventually be made public, he certainly wouldn't have taken that deal and would've gone to trial becaUse what's the difference? At least a public trial would've given him the opportunity for a not guilty verdict, his name still tarnished, baseball career mostly over but he wouldn't have had to register as a sex offender.
The Prosecution dangled the sealed records as a carrot obviously and that sounds good to someone with a future in collegiate sports who doesn't want their name dragged through the mud in the papers before they can get there.
People who say, I would never take this deal if I was innocent aren't reading the papers and don't understand how our society or legal justice system works.
This post was edited on 6/3/19 at 12:26 am
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