Official tariff challenge to ibchini and npc90

Good luck getting an answer.

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Why are you using episodic anecdotes (various segments of the economy) to assess a systemic problem (national trade imbalance)?

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Dunno about IBF, but I've never used anecdotes "to assess" any national trade imbalance, which I do not see as an inherent problem. So, I guess this can't apply to me. I'd recommend OP get to work establishing precisely why they think the trade balance is either "systemic" or a problem.

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why do you consider the temporary price of various products more important than the national security threat posed by China's actions?

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What, exactly, is the nature of the supposed security threat? What is its magnitude? I don't see a credible one.

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you do not acknowledge that the country was already experiencing pain due to China's trade policies

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I do not deny that some people have felt pain as some low-skill industries shifted to low-skill China. Although there are winners and losers from a long-term shift toward an economy comprised relatively more of service production than goods production, I don't see a loss on net.

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f there was already pain, why is this temporary pain unacceptable even though it is addressing the root problem

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How, exactly, is it successfully addressing anything? The "pain", as you so rigorously describe it, is not being fixed by our unilateral protectionism or any of trade partners' retaliation.

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he is more concerned with the price of washing machines than national security

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Can you try to be coherent for once. You think washing machine tariffs improve our national security?

Wow I don't see 90 anywhere what a coward

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I've never used anecdotes "to assess" any national trade imbalance

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you are a straight up, flat out liar

"why do you get so irate at credible attempts to assess the actual impact of this supposed addressing" in response to the price of washing machines

exhibit a

"i'm looking at us now with big tariffs on metals and staring down big tariffs on stuff from one of our primary import sources- and note that about 2/3rds of our imports from china aren't consumer goods, they're intermediate/raw/capital goods that support our competitiveness in manufacturing!"

exhibit b

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get to work establishing precisely why they think the trade balance is either "systemic" or a problem. What, exactly, is the nature of the supposed security threat? What is its magnitude? I don't see a credible one

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oh my gosh ip theft. it's been explained to you over and over. again, the prez JUST ADDRESSED this yesterday. he went so far as to say that the business owners he's spoken to are completely on board with the program so you're trying to defend people who don't even agree with you

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I do not deny that some people have felt pain

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then your position is completely hypocritical. also, there have been plenty of threads showing that some businesses are thriving and the economy is overall doing well yet, you never seem to acknowledge that.

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How, exactly, is it successfully addressing anything?

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pressure. it appears that the tariffs are doing exactly that. working as designed. just like any sanction the us is levying on any country. keep doing that and we'll hurt your wallet.

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The "pain", as you so rigorously describe it, is not being fixed by our unilateral protectionism or any of trade partners' retaliation.

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and this the is the 90 bluster. "take me at my word. i know the future."

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Can you try to be coherent for once. You think washing machine tariffs improve our national security?

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and finishes with the obligatory strawman, complete misrepresentation that has been clearly explained multiple times

to sum up the 90 position:
1. temporary price increase of some products is unacceptable
2. "i don't see a problem" in regards to ip theft by a military adversary
3. "i know the future/tpp alternate reality"

the funniest part of the response - 90 responded to NPC.

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you are a straight up, flat out liar

"why do you get so irate at credible attempts to assess the actual impact of this supposed addressing" in response to the price of washing machines

exhibit a

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do you have an actual learning disability? at what point do i "assess a trade imbalance" in any shape or form there, let alone with an anecdote?

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oh my gosh ip theft. it's been explained to you over and over.

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just saying "ip theft" is just laughably insufficient for demonstrating a credible national security threat, or describing its nature, or assessing its magnitude

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then your position is completely hypocritical

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it's like you're getting progressively dumber at an accelerating rate

immediately following what you quoted, i stated that i do not see a loss on net.

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pressure. it appears that the tariffs are doing exactly that.

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how? describe the pain that you allege we felt precisely, and then describe how said pain has been alleviated.

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and this the is the 90 bluster. "take me at my word. i know the future."

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that comment didn't address the future. it addressed the present. the present in which you claim that the "problem" is being "addressed" with success

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and finishes with the obligatory strawman

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how else should i have interpreted your nonsense? you literally said i care more about washing machine prices than national security.

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also looking forward to continuing our discussion of revisions and patterns of them

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yeah. you saying it's "my" claim and a whole bunch of "nuh unh"

oh good grief i saw that you responded yet again with more nonsense. you are a special, not in a good way

Good job calling out someone for ducking your questions by linking examples of where he...addresses your questions.

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Good job calling out someone for ducking your questions by linking examples of where he...addresses your questions

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saying "nuh unh" is not a substantive response. but you knew that already right?

so in response to your stupid response, he STILL hasn't responded to the points in the op. all he is doing is repeating already refuted points and lying. he can't even acknowledge that chinese ip theft is a national security threat. how stupid is that? i'm now having to cite articles on the subject to get him educated on that

it's interesting that a couple of knuckleheads have chimed in to defend one of the worst personalities on this board yet, they haven't bothered to try to answer the questions in the op

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it's interesting that a couple of knuckleheads have chimed in to defend one of the worst personalities on this board yet, they haven't bothered to try to answer the questions in the op

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I don't have to agree with his position to see he doesn't duck you. silly

Your cat fight is at a standstill because you are asking him to explain a position he's not really taking. If anything, you've left his points unaddressed.

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"to assess" any national trade imbalance, which I do not see as an inherent problem.

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Well that's fairly simpleton, isn't it though?
An "inherent problem"? I guess that would depend on the cause of inherence and the nature of the problem. If imbalance results from one country's workers building better products for less money, I'd not see that as an inherent problem either. If OTOH imbalance results from predatory subsidized export of nationalized products while restricting, stealing, and otherwise disadvantaging imports, the problem is both easily visible and inherent.

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What, exactly, is the nature of the supposed security threat?

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Wow. Just wow!


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Shenyang J-31 which was unveiled in late 2014.

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Northrop Grumman X-47B Unmanned Combat Air Vehicle (UCAV)


Chinese Lijian Sharp Sword UCAV

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Northrop Grumman MQ-8 Fire Scout unmanned helo (U.S.)


Chinese SVU-200 Flying Tiger unmanned helo

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General Atomics MQ-1 Predator UAV (U.S.)


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