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What kind of music do you classify the Avenged Sevenfold, Breaking Benjamin stuff

Posted on 3/24/19 at 8:32 pm
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 3/24/19 at 8:32 pm
Its not rock to me, its not indie rock, and its not alternative.

I know some love it but I cant stand this type of music. Its almost like a generic, formulaic sound that passes off as rock music.

What is it exactly? Harder emo music. Is it supposed to be what alternative music is in 2010s?

Im not shitting on anyone who likes it, people have different opinions, just curious as to how you classify it.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
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Posted on 3/24/19 at 8:33 pm to
I call it crap. But technically its rock. I don't see how you can call it anything else.
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 3/24/19 at 8:37 pm to
There is something about this music I cant stand.

Im usually open to anything, I can even respect stuff I dont like, but it isnt music to me, its like a sound that was manufactured in a wal mart warehouse.

But some love it, different strokes I guess.

I just cant call it rock music.

Better question is who started this sound? Did Creed and Nickelback start this genre?

Posted by Brosef Stalin
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Posted on 3/24/19 at 8:45 pm to
Avenged Sevenfold rips off 80s hard rock and metal. They straight up steal riffs from Metallica, Megadeth, GnR, etc. Breaking Benjamin is 4th or 5th generation Pearl Jam.
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 3/24/19 at 9:01 pm to
The genre is known as nu-metal, which includes most of the post-grunge rock that was on alt-radio in the late 90's/early 2000's before rapidly imploding in the early 2010's as alternative radio switched to a more indie/pop direction. Nu-metal is a big tent catch-all including bands ranging from Tool and Avenged Sevenfold to Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Breaking Benjamin, Audioslave, Chevelle, Seether, Shinedown, etc. This is the music that was playing on 104.9 The X when I was in middle school/high school, so I'm pretty familiar with it even though I don't listen to it that much anymore.

Basically, the test is this:
1. Was it made post 1991? If yes: go to step 2
2. Does it sound like grunge (STP, Nirvana, Alice in Chains)? If yes: it's probably grunge. If No: go to step 3
3. Does it sound happy? If yes: it's probably pop punk or emo. If no: go to step 4
4. Does it prominently feature distorted guitars more so than synthesizers, fiddles, and mandolins? If no: it's probably indie pop, If yes: go to step 5
5. Can you understand the lyrics? If no: it's some other brand of metal (death metal, stoner metal, screamo, hardcore, deathcore, power metal, grindcore, etc). If yes: Nu-metal

quote:

Better question is who started this sound? Did Creed and Nickelback start this genre?


Creed was probably the first one, but they were really just a Pearl Jam ripoff. Pearl Jam was basically 80's style arena rock with mumbly lyrics of the 90's. Nu-metal is mostly that Pearl Jam radio friendliness with angry lyrics and a little harder distortion. It's basically just even more commercialized cynical grunge extended across another decade-worth of mild innovation amid massive industry formulation.

So, here's some examples of classic nu-metal tracks:
Headstrong - Trapt
Sound of Madness - Shinedown
She Hates Me - Puddle of Mudd
Slither - Velvet Revolver
Wasteland - 10 Years
Just Like You - Three Days Grace
Alive - P.O.D.
Last Resort - Papa Roach

This post was edited on 3/24/19 at 10:54 pm
Posted by the crue
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Posted on 3/24/19 at 9:09 pm to
i would say avenged sevenfold is metal, breaking benjamin is hard rock
Posted by Brosef Stalin
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Posted on 3/24/19 at 9:28 pm to
Nu-metal has a strong rap influence, it isn't just rock put out in a certain time period.
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 3/24/19 at 9:28 pm to
thanks man
Posted by RabidTiger
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Posted on 3/24/19 at 9:29 pm to
I call it "radio metal."

I'm not into Avenged Sevenfold, but goddamn if I haven't listened to "Bat Country" a million times .
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 3/24/19 at 9:30 pm to
Headstrong-Trapt perfectly personifies what Im trying to define, that entire sound.
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 3/24/19 at 9:32 pm to
quote:

Nu-metal has a strong rap influence, it isn't just rock put out in a certain time period.


rap-metal is a sub-genre of nu-metal, hence the fact that there is a ton of cross-over.

Something tells me you were once in a similar situation to this guy:
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This post was edited on 3/24/19 at 9:34 pm
Posted by ShamelessPel
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Posted on 3/24/19 at 10:45 pm to
A7X isn’t all that bad. They’re at least fun. I’d call them hard rock.

Breaking Benjamin’s songs have a little more variety to them on their albums. Kind of hard to say one genre. I haven’t liked anything of theirs except some of the Phobia album. They’re mostly pretty blah live, but I’ve seen one pretty good show from them.
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 3/24/19 at 10:48 pm to
Its disposable music
Posted by Melvin
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Posted on 3/24/19 at 11:19 pm to
Chad Rock
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 3/25/19 at 12:01 am to
Posted by Retrograde
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Posted on 3/25/19 at 12:33 am to
quote:

A7X isn’t all that bad. They’re at least fun. I’d call them hard rock.


Thank you, Avenged Sevenfold has some of the best guitar play in their catalogue of the last 20 years. Yeah the singer is whiny and a straight Metallica ripoff, but they have made some good music.

Breaking Benjamin sucks though.
Posted by TaTa Toothy
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Posted on 3/25/19 at 2:30 am to
Absolute utter shite to the trillionth power of absolute shite x 10000000000
Posted by 225bred
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Posted on 3/25/19 at 9:24 am to
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Chad Rock



This post was edited on 3/25/19 at 9:24 am
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 3/25/19 at 12:06 pm to
I’d put them in with the nu metal genre. I consider many of the “rock” acts that came out in the early 2000’s to be nu metal.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 3/25/19 at 12:35 pm to
Shitty
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