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re: Trump's Emergency bill goes down in Senate
Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:33 pm to LSUAlum2001
Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:33 pm to LSUAlum2001
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And that, my friends, is why the GOP always loses when it has control. Zero solidarity in the party to get shite done.
Wrong. This is a different kind of issue. Trump is attempting to shift the constitutional balance of power. That's why Republicans voted against the emergency declaration. A President should never have the power to void by executive order a vote by Congress on the exact same issue. Congress just voted on this and Trump asserts that a President has supreme power over Congress.
This vote is not about party loyalty.
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Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:59 pm to TBoy
quote:You have described how things SHOULD be, under the constitutional system for the separation of powers. Unfortunately, Congress ceded much of its authority to the Executive when it passed the NEA. The Courts will eventually decide the constitutionality of Congress having ceded that authority, because we ALL know that this matter will reach SCOTUS with a quickness.quote:Wrong. This is a different kind of issue. Trump is attempting to shift the constitutional balance of power. That's why Republicans voted against the emergency declaration. A President should never have the power to void by executive order a vote by Congress on the exact same issue. Congress just voted on this and Trump asserts that a President has supreme power over Congress.
And that, my friends, is why the GOP always loses when it has control. Zero solidarity in the party to get shite done.
This vote is not about party loyalty.
So, for now, Trump has the shield of apparent statutory authority. Whether he SHOULD decline to exercise that aauthority due to the blatant unconstitutionality of the NEA is a different (and more interesting) question.
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If Congress tells a President that the President can do something unconstitutional, should said President EXERCISE that authority? OR should he decline to do so?
Posted on 3/14/19 at 3:06 pm to TBoy
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Trump is attempting to shift the constitutional balance of power. That's why Republicans voted against the emergency declaration. A President should never have the power to void by executive order a vote by Congress on the exact same issue. Congress just voted on this and Trump asserts that a President has supreme power over Congress.
Say what?
Who passed the law giving the President authority to declare the emergency?
Research that and get back to me.
The President is exercising the authority the Congress gave to him.
How exactly is Trump shifting power?
Seems like the Congress shifted the power did they not?
If they don't like it, they can take it back.
Congress does it and it's somehow Trump's fault. Priceless.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 3:07 pm to TBoy
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Wrong. This is a different kind of issue. Trump is attempting to shift the constitutional balance of power. That's why Republicans voted against the emergency declaration. A President should never have the power to void by executive order a vote by Congress on the exact same issue. Congress just voted on this and Trump asserts that a President has supreme power over Congress.
This vote is not about party loyalty.
Umm, nope. The Trump admin actually spent the last two weeks trying to build support on the Hill for a bill that would've replaced this one and would've greatly reduced Presidential power to use the NE. That was killed highlighting that today was purely a show vote.
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