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re: On this date 155 years ago....
Posted on 3/8/19 at 9:14 pm to fr33manator
Posted on 3/8/19 at 9:14 pm to fr33manator
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Voluntary manumission was 10, 20 years away, tops.
Hypothetical. Also love the assertion that 10 to 20 more years of slavery in the United States of America was no big deal.
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 9:46 pm to fr33manator
This and had more resources
Lee was brilliant
Lee was brilliant
Posted on 3/8/19 at 9:48 pm to Kcprogguitar
Well
Let me consult my blue book and frederich baron von steuben about that
Let me consult my blue book and frederich baron von steuben about that
Posted on 3/9/19 at 6:11 am to Ping Pong
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Exactly. Grant's strategy was an acceptance of Lee's superiority. His major advantage was the size of his army, so he used it.
you nuts are too hung up on this lost cause mythology. what was grant supposed to do to "outwit" lee? as though the technology of the era and small unit tactics don't play a role in what a commander is able to achieve. grant recognized that in the setting of a small strategic area like northern virginia, no one was going to launch a crushing napoleonic campaign to outflank and destroy their opponent in a master stroke. the armies were doomed to fight a crushing battle of attrition.
no union commander up to that point had the cajones to accept the inevitable math. grant took his lumps but maintained the initiative of offensive and pushed lee back to richmond where he was forced to submit to siege and unavoidable defeat. it was the best possible outcome given lack of area for maneuver and fighting capabilities of the respective armies.
This post was edited on 3/9/19 at 6:12 am
Posted on 3/9/19 at 6:19 am to fr33manator
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Voluntary manumission was 10, 20 years away, tops
And Michael Corleone's business is going to be completely legitimate in 5 years.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 6:44 am to fightin tigers
How would "voluntary manumission" be defined? Would a slave just decide to no longer be a slave and walk away from the plantation? I don't think so.
John McDonogh had a manumission program in place for his slaves in the 1830s, if not earlier. After either 5 or 7 years, a McDonogh slave could buy his freedom and would be shipped to Liberia. But he has to do his time first and buy his way out. Is that "voluntary manumission"?
The importation of slaves into the US was made illegal before the Civil War ... 1840s, maybe? While there were still many slaves in America, the importation ban made slaves an increasingly scarce resource and increased their market value. Very few slave owners were willing to free their slaves and receive no compensation for their investment.
John McDonogh had a manumission program in place for his slaves in the 1830s, if not earlier. After either 5 or 7 years, a McDonogh slave could buy his freedom and would be shipped to Liberia. But he has to do his time first and buy his way out. Is that "voluntary manumission"?
The importation of slaves into the US was made illegal before the Civil War ... 1840s, maybe? While there were still many slaves in America, the importation ban made slaves an increasingly scarce resource and increased their market value. Very few slave owners were willing to free their slaves and receive no compensation for their investment.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 6:49 am to tide06
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I would argue the Civil War saved the country from the terrible disease of slavery, but only by infecting it with an ultimately fatal one - that being the consolidation of power at the federal level.
truth
Posted on 3/9/19 at 6:49 am to jlovel7
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Gonna be a lot of butt hurt and slander in this thread
yours
Posted on 3/9/19 at 6:56 am to RollTide1987
Was the hotel pager friendly
Posted on 3/9/19 at 8:32 am to RollTide1987
In his memoirs, Grant said that all of the generals before him made the mistake of overestimating Lee, almost looking at him as a military God of sorts. Grant was familiar with Lee from the Mexican war and felt like he “knew” him a bit more. While grant may have underestimated Lee on some occasion, he never made the fatal mistake of overestimating Lee. That, he said, was the difference in the war.
Posted on 3/9/19 at 12:37 pm to tilco
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lucky to win
Lol, what?
Keep in mind that he had already whooped the Souths arse in the TN/MS theater before moving over to fight Lee.
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