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Trump Defunds Planned Parenthood Abortions

Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:03 am
Posted by Wednesday
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Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:03 am
Scalise Tweet

According to the article Steve Scalise tweeted Trump changed the Fed Regs so that Planned Parenthood is required to financially separate their abortion services from other healthcare/birth control.
Posted by Tiger at Law
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Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:05 am to
We love our President!
Posted by AggieHank86
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Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:06 am to
Does the Hyde Amendment not already require this?
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:08 am to
That’s gonna piss off the baby killers.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:08 am to
Somehow the left will spin this to say that Trump unconstitutionally made abortion illegal when the fact is all it does is keep us from paying for them.
This post was edited on 2/23/19 at 10:27 am
Posted by Wednesday
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Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:10 am to
Not sure.

I just found it odd that I haven’t seen this discussed here.

I think the Hyde Amendment just prohibits federal funds to be used for abortions. But I dont think it required separation of the entries. So PP could essentially subsidize their abortions with the money it received for other services. This way, there have to be 2 entities or accounts so the $$ only goes to the no abortions one.
Posted by gthog61
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Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:11 am to
quote:

I think the Hyde Amendment just prohibits federal funds to be used for abortions. But I dont think it required separation of the entries. So PP could essentially subsidize their abortions with the money it received for other services. This way, there have to be 2 entities or accounts so the $$ only goes to the no abortions one.



They will just find a new way to lie about it.
Posted by BBONDS25
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Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:12 am to
Hyde amendment has been under attack. Perhaps trump is going to push for it to be made permanent law. Dems like Kaine, who used to support the amendment have recently come out against it. I’m amazed the changed their stance.

This also requires different accounting, right?
This post was edited on 2/23/19 at 10:13 am
Posted by bamarep
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Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:13 am to
Oh boy.


This is gonna be fun.
Posted by AggieHank86
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Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:16 am to
quote:

I think the Hyde Amendment just prohibits federal funds to be used for abortions. But I dont think it required separation of the entries. So PP could essentially subsidize their abortions with the money it received for other services. This way, there have to be 2 entities or accounts so the $$ only goes to the no abortions one.
as I understand it, the governmental funding for entities such as Planned Parenthood tends to pay toward all of the physical plant, overhead, staff salaries, etcetra.. The fees for the actual abortion procedure seem basically to be set “at direct cost,“ or something near it ... given that salaries and other costs are funded elsewhere.

It seems like a work-around versus the Hyde Amendment, but a legal one.
This post was edited on 2/23/19 at 10:17 am
Posted by Turbeauxdog
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Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:17 am to
quote:

Does the Hyde Amendment not already require this?


No.
Posted by BBONDS25
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Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:17 am to
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It seems like a work-around versus the Hyde Amendment, but a legal one.


Not for long
This post was edited on 2/23/19 at 10:17 am
Posted by Wednesday
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Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:17 am to
Not only separate accounting but separate locations (per article)

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Under the new directive, which will take effect in 60 days, organizations receiving Title X funding have 120 days to financially separate their family planning and abortion operations and one year to physically separate their family planning and abortion operations.
Posted by AggieHank86
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Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:18 am to
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It for long
???
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
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Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:18 am to
Meh, I get the symbolism of this move, but I don't support it.

Again, let the Progressives abort themselves. I'll gladly pay taxes toward that effort.
Posted by OnTheGeaux
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Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:20 am to
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So PP could essentially subsidize their abortions with the money it received for other services.


Like selling baby parts for Lamborghini's?

Posted by AggieHank86
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Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:21 am to
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Under the new directive, which will take effect in 60 days, organizations receiving Title X funding have 120 days to financially separate their family planning and abortion operations and one year to physically separate their family planning and abortion operations.
I suspect that the separate accounting already exists internally. This will just make it available to the public.

I do wonder whether a regulatory requirement for separate facilities would have any direct statutory authorization. Anyone know?
Posted by AggieHank86
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Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:23 am to
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selling baby parts for Lamborghini's? (sic, Lamborghinis)
And another thread with a reasonable, substantive discussion is derailed with emotional hyperbole.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
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Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:27 am to
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I suspect that the separate accounting already exists internally. This will just make it available to the public


It's a con.

quote:

I do wonder whether a regulatory requirement for separate facilities would have any direct statutory authorization. Anyone know


The only clean way to separate finances and ensure govt funding is not used for abortion is to separate facilities, administration, and staff.

Otherwise you need a complicated direct and indirect cost allocation method that would be abused to achieve the outcome desired rather than ensure the directive.

Sophisticated corporations with talented people have immense trouble with allocations and price transfers, there's no way the type of loon that would work for planned parenthood could do it.
Posted by AggieHank86
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Posted on 2/23/19 at 10:31 am to
I think that most informed people understand that abortion services are something of a loss-leader for Planned Parenthood and that a requirement for separate physical facilities would undermine that.

That is completely separate from my inquiry as to whether there is any statutory authorization for a regulation requiring separate physical facilities.

The fact that a given reg would accomplish something you like DOES NOT mean that such reg is authorized by statute.
This post was edited on 2/23/19 at 10:35 am
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