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Together Baton Rouge initiative - What say you, OT?
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:56 pm
Hypothesis
Lifelong conservative, native Louisianan here.
Younger, less experienced me, says this video is crap. Older, wiser, more traveled me, tends to agree with the Together Baton Rouge.
Is Louisiana getting taken advantage of? Does Louisiana have politicians with the wherewithal to negotiate? Why can't Louisiana invest in education/infrastructure?
If more competent government/politicians determined the future of Louisiana, would things be different?
Lifelong conservative, native Louisianan here.
Younger, less experienced me, says this video is crap. Older, wiser, more traveled me, tends to agree with the Together Baton Rouge.
Is Louisiana getting taken advantage of? Does Louisiana have politicians with the wherewithal to negotiate? Why can't Louisiana invest in education/infrastructure?
If more competent government/politicians determined the future of Louisiana, would things be different?
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:07 pm to IglooTiger
Seems to me the jobs are in their own backyard, they choose not to take them
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:10 pm to LSUJML
I’m in that hood every day. They have destroyed it. Looks like a war zone
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:25 pm to IglooTiger
Politicians are a problem in this state and they don’t know how to use our tax dollars. We should not be a poor state because of the industries and the oil business in this state.
Now where Together Louisiana and all the progressives get things wrong is they are blaming it on the industries for getting tax breaks and being exempt from certain taxes. They want more money but why should we allow them to take away tax exemptions from industries when 1. They don’t know how to use tax dollars the correct way and 2. The tax exemptions and breaks are used for expansion projects which creates a ton of jobs and more money in the area where the industry is located.
The problem is there are too many people who are lazy mfers who like to steal, sell drugs, and kill each other instead of improving their own lives by going to work for a plant or some kind of contractor where they can make a shite ton of money and move out of the hood and better their own lives and their future families lives. Bottom line is, too many people in this state don’t care and are too lazy to do anything because they are too dependent on the government
Now where Together Louisiana and all the progressives get things wrong is they are blaming it on the industries for getting tax breaks and being exempt from certain taxes. They want more money but why should we allow them to take away tax exemptions from industries when 1. They don’t know how to use tax dollars the correct way and 2. The tax exemptions and breaks are used for expansion projects which creates a ton of jobs and more money in the area where the industry is located.
The problem is there are too many people who are lazy mfers who like to steal, sell drugs, and kill each other instead of improving their own lives by going to work for a plant or some kind of contractor where they can make a shite ton of money and move out of the hood and better their own lives and their future families lives. Bottom line is, too many people in this state don’t care and are too lazy to do anything because they are too dependent on the government
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:26 pm to LSUJML
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Seems to me the jobs are in their own backyard, they choose not to take them
Can we keep this a macro issue? Sure, people should fricking get to work, but this is not a conversation about them.
It's about the State/City negotiating with private companies about tax dollars. Followed by State/City properly handling tax dollars for education/infrastructure. Is Louisiana getting totally hosed?
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:28 pm to IglooTiger
Personally, I think this is the wrong board.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:32 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
quote:I respect your opinion. But I don't want Bunyan, NavyTiger, and JJdoc turning a real discussion into a fricking Trump circle jerk.
Personally, I think this is the wrong board.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:34 pm to IglooTiger
quote:
I respect your opinion.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:46 pm to IglooTiger
Louisiana is getting robbed, but not by industry. It’s getting robbed by its corrupt leviathan government that protects connected business and industry buddies from competition while mercelessly destroying all others through a draconian tax code and orwellian permit/licensing regime. TBR is nothing but a Soros-backed Communist agit-prop front being used to push for even higher taxes in order to drive even more industry out of the state, defeat the school choice movement, and get even more people off of the private sector payroll and dependent on government for their livelihood.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:14 am to kingbob
quote:Enough with the Soros crap...
TBR is nothing but a Soros-backed Communist agit-prop front being used to push for even higher taxes in order to drive even more industry out of the state
Listen dude - Louisiana politicians are outdated. They have no fricking clue how to capitalize on the gem they sit on.
You control the mouth of the Mississippi River...
You control nat gas pipelines on a global market
Louisiana should have the best educated (not worst educated) and best infrastructure (not worst infrastructure) in the US.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:28 am to IglooTiger
They know how. They don’t want to. They make money how it is now. If they wanted to monetize the river, we wouldn’t have an inventory tax. We LOSE MONEY on our income tax while still repelling business because of it. Louisiana politicians run our state like a ponzy scheme and their power is extremely entrenched. If you don’t believe me, ask someone who has ever run against a sitting judge, sheriff, or DA. Odds are you won’t find one who isn’t dead, in prison, or financially ruined as a result whose entire family didn’t suffer. The political machine exists to maintain its power and extract revenue from the citizens while giving back as little as possible. These people would rather have 100% of $1000 than 1% of $1 billion
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 12:43 am
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:29 am to IglooTiger
I don't understand what that has to do with St George.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:30 am to IglooTiger
Here’s a solution. Diversify your holdings and become less dependent one a single industry to pad your pocketbook. Louisiana is not a poor state because of the tax breaks. Sure, I’ll agree with you that it’s not a good look for billion dollar companies to get big tax breaks, but what’s your other option? Tax them higher and watch more industry leave. They will never completely leave because of the river access but watch what happens.
IMO, together Baton Rouge is going to do more harm than good.
Keep pissing on the people who pay the most taxes (or any taxes) and watch them leave. This includes SG people and people like me who will never move any closer and have started to spend my money away from BR as much as possible. 5 years ago, I’d have stayed here forever. Now, I could see myself moving out of state if it meant that my quality of life was better.
The sad truth is that our state is a welfare state. That will most probably never change. No amount of wealth distribution will fix that problem. We will only see the greedy grow larger.
You came to the ot for a discussion, but all you’ll find are people who are tired of watching their money burn.
IMO, together Baton Rouge is going to do more harm than good.
Keep pissing on the people who pay the most taxes (or any taxes) and watch them leave. This includes SG people and people like me who will never move any closer and have started to spend my money away from BR as much as possible. 5 years ago, I’d have stayed here forever. Now, I could see myself moving out of state if it meant that my quality of life was better.
The sad truth is that our state is a welfare state. That will most probably never change. No amount of wealth distribution will fix that problem. We will only see the greedy grow larger.
You came to the ot for a discussion, but all you’ll find are people who are tired of watching their money burn.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:30 am to IglooTiger
As for the OP, ITEP is a clusterfrick. These should all be local decisions.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:32 am to IglooTiger
Are you a Soros bought bitch?
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:35 am to IglooTiger
quote:
Why can't Louisiana invest in education/infrastructure?
Louisiana could bleed these companies dry and you'll not see an improvement to either.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:40 am to slackster
under the new regime, they have to get local approval before getting state approval. TBR is complaining about previously issued exemptions, but they’re set to sunset soon anyways as the exemptions only last for 10 years.
When people say they’ll never completely leave because of the river, they’re wrong. Everything they can do with the Mississippi River, they can do in Corpus Christie or along the Houston ship channel, and Texas’s taxation and permitting regime is way more business friendly. We have to offer these incentives just to even the playing field. The last time a governor tried to milk industry for all they had and took them for granted, the plants here didn’t all leave (though some did shut their doors in the 70’s and 80’s), but they all cut back tremendously. Plants that once employed 6000 people were employing only 200 a decade later.
The whole purpose of ITEP is to convert land that’s not worth much for property tax collection (largely sugarcane fields) into valuable industrial plants that employ thousands. For example, a large parcel of cane may only bring in a couple dollars in property tax per acre, but if ITEP incentives help result in a large plant being built on that lot instead of in Texas, then 10 years later, that lot is netting tens of thousands of dollars per acre in taxes. TBR is extremely short sighted, a penny-wise, but a pound foolish.
When people say they’ll never completely leave because of the river, they’re wrong. Everything they can do with the Mississippi River, they can do in Corpus Christie or along the Houston ship channel, and Texas’s taxation and permitting regime is way more business friendly. We have to offer these incentives just to even the playing field. The last time a governor tried to milk industry for all they had and took them for granted, the plants here didn’t all leave (though some did shut their doors in the 70’s and 80’s), but they all cut back tremendously. Plants that once employed 6000 people were employing only 200 a decade later.
The whole purpose of ITEP is to convert land that’s not worth much for property tax collection (largely sugarcane fields) into valuable industrial plants that employ thousands. For example, a large parcel of cane may only bring in a couple dollars in property tax per acre, but if ITEP incentives help result in a large plant being built on that lot instead of in Texas, then 10 years later, that lot is netting tens of thousands of dollars per acre in taxes. TBR is extremely short sighted, a penny-wise, but a pound foolish.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:45 am to IglooTiger
This video has never been posted here thanks.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:46 am to Havoc
quote:
Are you a Soros bought bitch?
brother... isn't he's almost dead now? Could give two shits about Soros.
I'm on your side... assuming - conservative, La native, business loving.
Posted on 1/16/19 at 12:49 am to Monday
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The sad truth is that our state is a welfare state. That will most probably never change. No amount of wealth distribution will fix that problem. We will only see the greedy grow larger.
By design. Before we know it, we’ll be dealing with the same problems South Africa is having.
The idea of welfare is inhumane. It’s unrealistic in its expectations and unfair in its implementation. It’s criminal. It’s demoralizing. People who accept welfare do not aspire to anything. They lose their sense of self worth and become depressed, hopeless, and jealous. It’s the modern day form of slavery.
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