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re: I've never taken a guilty plea from someone who isn't guilty...
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:35 pm to CptBengal
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:35 pm to CptBengal
quote:
I've never taken a guilty plea from someone who isn't guilty...
...and I dont plan to start now.
-Judge Sullivan
Today, the year of our lord GEOTUS 2018
All this over a lie the FBI already knew was a lie and had verifiable evidence to disprove and meant nothing in the grand scheme of things? Yes, Gen. Flynn shouldn't have lied dk why he would but, in my judgment, it doesn't rise to the level of satisfying the "materiality" element of 18 USC 1001 and I know the capacity standard controls per case law. Did this statement have the capacity to mean anything? It was about a meeting that was already wiretapped and checked out. I don't get the world sometimes, man.
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Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:37 pm to gthog61
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Guilty of falling for a trap
Textbook definition of entrapment, should've pleaded it but this plea deal doesn't appear too bad and Mueller recommended a very lenient sentence, ain't no thang.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:38 pm to BBONDS25
I agree. His statements on the treason stuff lead me to think he was more concerned with the Turkey stuff. I think there is more about Turkey in the sealed filings than there is about Russian ambassador.
But I agree a very bizarre hearing all around for a usually buttoned up and well-oiled federal court proceeding
But I agree a very bizarre hearing all around for a usually buttoned up and well-oiled federal court proceeding
This post was edited on 12/18/18 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:38 pm to gthog61
quote:
You assholes have no honor
Filth never does
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:38 pm to boosiebadazz
he was in those two talking about an allocution roast
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:38 pm to BBONDS25
quote:
From accusing the defendant of treason all the way to pleading with the defendant to change his plea.
The judge later clarified that he did not intend to imply that Flynn may be guilty of treason when he asked the question.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:39 pm to boosiebadazz
what's COINTELPRO though
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:41 pm to 90proofprofessional
I never actually knew. By context, I took it to mean the grand plan of Flynn being the sacrificial lamb. I mostly just laughed at CptBengal when he used it because he was trying to sound all fancy and military.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:41 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Agree.
...which is why he had Flynn admit multiple times that he was guilty
Sullivan's actions today were interesting. There is always a possibility he could toss the sentence, but my take is he was leaning far to the other direction.
To be candid, there is no way in hell the lying to the FBI charge would have stuck had Flynn contested it. Just as anyone must be warned as to their rights against self-incrimination in a police interview, Flynn had the same right. The FBI clearly avoided apprising him of that. Flynn's claim that he knew "it is a crime to lie to the FBI" is technically irrelevant. He was not warned. He'd have been acquitted on that basis alone. The FBI's actions as detailed by Comey were inexcusable. Sullivan surely knows all of that.
Presumably there are other redacted aspects of the matter which set Sullivan off though.
Anyway, I agree with your take. He wanted to make it 100% clear to all that Flynn was guilty of deliberate and potentially damaging deceit, and he wanted Flynn to have another 100 days to ponder that.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:42 pm to CptBengal
*punitive
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:44 pm to CptBengal
We have two of the biggest dumbazzes on this board boosiepedocure and BamaAtl in the same thread. Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:44 pm to CptBengal
We have two of the biggest dumbazzes on this board boosiepedocure and BamaAtl in the same thread. 
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:48 pm to CptBengal
quote:
...and I dont plan to start now.
-Judge Sullivan
But then says Flynn sold his country out, and suggested that he maybe committed Treason? I am not sure if this Judge is a swamp rat or Maga.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:50 pm to NC_Tigah
Mueller has already destroyed Flynn’s life, Flynn wanted out and was pleading guilty as hard as he could to a process crime with no jail time in order to get out from under Mueller. If Flynn were to recant his plea then he knows Mueller and crew are coming for him, his family, and everyone associated with him for anything and everything.
The judge knows this a sham case. Flynn is stuck in a legit prisoners dilemma, the plea is the safest route. The judge doesn’t like that fact, pretty obvious to me.
The judge knows this a sham case. Flynn is stuck in a legit prisoners dilemma, the plea is the safest route. The judge doesn’t like that fact, pretty obvious to me.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:50 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:This is ridiculous
He was not warned. He'd have been acquitted on that basis. alone
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:50 pm to 90proofprofessional
You notice we’re getting some posts deleted in this thread? I wonder why the powers that be are hiding the truth about allocution
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:53 pm to BamaAtl
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Lying repeatedly to the FBI.
frick the corrupt pieces of shite FBI!
I have more respect for the KGB - At least they're honest about what they do.
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:54 pm to boosiebadazz
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You notice we’re getting some posts deleted in this thread? I wonder why the powers that be are hiding the truth about allocution
ith a thonspiracee!
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:54 pm to CptBengal
Someone in power likes your schtick
Posted on 12/18/18 at 1:57 pm to JuiceTerry
quote:Ridiculous or not, it is the law my friend. I suspect concern about it on the part of the prosecution was basis for not being forthcoming with the 302. Comey's recent statements to that end, and about the Flynn setup, are abhorrent.
This is ridiculous
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