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re: Tim Brando: Fiesta Bowl is a glorified exhibition
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:23 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:23 am to SammyTiger
I'm having a little difficulty deciphering what you're trying to say, but if I understand it correctly, you believe conference champions deserve deference.
That very opinion is what I take issue with. All conferences are not created equal. We know that. In college, however, many conferences aren't even CLOSE to being equal. Winning a terrible conference should not get you in. Pittsburgh and Northwestern were playing for power 5 championships this past weekend. Do they deserve consideration? I say absolutely NOT.
Now, going with your stipulation, the argument against that is "hey, you gotta win your conference, so if you don't, that's on you"... Well, that may sound fine and dandy, in theory, but that would be ignoring the glaring problem that conferences vary greatly in strength, and they don't play each other but for a game here and there. That is the reality of it. And with that in mind, the eye test is all you get, and people will always complain about "conference bias" when their team isn't picked.
For the record, I was FOR the BCS system. It was flawed, but unbiased, and gave a reasonable and mostly logical ranking. But people complained that the computers ignored the eye test, and that it's strength of schedule component was somehow rigged.
Again, you can't make everyone happy. Going to 8 just leads to 16, and on and on.
That very opinion is what I take issue with. All conferences are not created equal. We know that. In college, however, many conferences aren't even CLOSE to being equal. Winning a terrible conference should not get you in. Pittsburgh and Northwestern were playing for power 5 championships this past weekend. Do they deserve consideration? I say absolutely NOT.
Now, going with your stipulation, the argument against that is "hey, you gotta win your conference, so if you don't, that's on you"... Well, that may sound fine and dandy, in theory, but that would be ignoring the glaring problem that conferences vary greatly in strength, and they don't play each other but for a game here and there. That is the reality of it. And with that in mind, the eye test is all you get, and people will always complain about "conference bias" when their team isn't picked.
For the record, I was FOR the BCS system. It was flawed, but unbiased, and gave a reasonable and mostly logical ranking. But people complained that the computers ignored the eye test, and that it's strength of schedule component was somehow rigged.
Again, you can't make everyone happy. Going to 8 just leads to 16, and on and on.
This post was edited on 12/7/18 at 12:24 am
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Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:30 am to Metaloctopus
In short, we'd all like conference championships to mean more, but in college they just can't. I care about winning the SEC. It's a huge accomplishment. It's not like it means nothing at all. But look over at the ACC and big Ten, or PAC-12 a lot of years. There isn't much competition.
College football is and has always been it's own entity. Parts of it are mythical in nature, and that can be frustrating, but it also makes the entire season so much more intriguing, in my opinion.
College football is and has always been it's own entity. Parts of it are mythical in nature, and that can be frustrating, but it also makes the entire season so much more intriguing, in my opinion.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 12:33 am to Metaloctopus
If you have major conferences, they should mean something. It’s pretty much how every playoff works.
Otherwise we’re just guessing on eyeball test alone.
Look st the NFL, MLB the NCAA tournament. They all have auto bids and sometimes yes: shorty teams get in, but you sees the low and move On. It makes conference championship games and division races that much more interesting. Also very rarely does a bad division winner actually win their conference. It would be a complete rarity.
You can’t complain about conference bias when you’re conference gets an auto bid. I think That shuts down most complainers.
If you can’t definitely say you’re one of the best 3 teams to not win your confeeence you don’t have much of a leg to stand on.
Otherwise we’re just guessing on eyeball test alone.
Look st the NFL, MLB the NCAA tournament. They all have auto bids and sometimes yes: shorty teams get in, but you sees the low and move On. It makes conference championship games and division races that much more interesting. Also very rarely does a bad division winner actually win their conference. It would be a complete rarity.
You can’t complain about conference bias when you’re conference gets an auto bid. I think That shuts down most complainers.
If you can’t definitely say you’re one of the best 3 teams to not win your confeeence you don’t have much of a leg to stand on.
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