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re: What do y’all think about secession?
Posted on 11/14/18 at 10:59 pm to boosiebadazz
Posted on 11/14/18 at 10:59 pm to boosiebadazz
We needed a constitutional amendment to ban alcohol.
Not so much w/ the war on drugs. That should be evidence enough of what I'm talking about in point #2.
Nothing conceptual about #3. It's just a fact; Our federal government has become a war machine, not for self defense, but for offense. That is antithetical to it's original purpose.
4 is a bit conceptual, but not tough to grasp; We taxpayers are going to get robbed, again, to fund loans made by the fed gov...even though the fed gov has no authority under the Constitution to loan out money. How many times do we need to get robbed before we can finally "move out of the neighborhood", so to say?
Not so much w/ the war on drugs. That should be evidence enough of what I'm talking about in point #2.
Nothing conceptual about #3. It's just a fact; Our federal government has become a war machine, not for self defense, but for offense. That is antithetical to it's original purpose.
4 is a bit conceptual, but not tough to grasp; We taxpayers are going to get robbed, again, to fund loans made by the fed gov...even though the fed gov has no authority under the Constitution to loan out money. How many times do we need to get robbed before we can finally "move out of the neighborhood", so to say?
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:00 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:The idea that someone who disagrees with you morally and politically should have to prove to you that secession is OK with you. What's the point of asking for personal anecdotes? I would hope for as much as you've read the Poli Board over the years that you've figured out some basic disagreements that people would have with the way the current government is run.
How what would make sense?
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:00 pm to G The Tiger Fan
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I'm not "talking tough on the Internet". I'm trying to bend my brain to see how any of this would make sense to a normal person.
The normal brain thinks “would I sacrifice my child to take down this government?” I feel pretty confident the average American would sacrifice a kid of theirs (and certainly themselves) if they knew they were saving the rest of the country and their personal descendants from Red October or the Night of Broken Glass. It’s a worthy cause to go down that should make every parent proud.
But this bullshite political climate? No, I don’t think anyone here would sacrifice themselves and certainly not their kids to destroy Hillary or Bernie.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:01 pm to stuntman
And you’re willing to leave your home and die because of those points?
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:01 pm to m2pro
quote:By the votes of her constituents
Explain to me how Cortez just got elected.
quote:Same.
How Gillem nearly did.
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Why the youth of America are 60%+ in favor of socialism.
Spin. They aren’t in favor of the USSR; they’re in favor of slightly more socialism than we have now. I’m not, but jeez, calm down. quote:Because private companies are allowed to do that.
Why the googles/twitters/fbs of the world sensor so openly?
Basically everything you posted is an example of freedom or capitalism.
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:03 pm to G The Tiger Fan
OP is about secession coming soon because of the Marxist influx or whatever. I’m just asking what personal anecdotes lead you all to support secession as outlined in the OP.
I get the concept and the historical fact of secession. But in line with the OP, what in today’s world leads you to support it?
You obviously don’t have to answer, but you can certainly understand how I think you’re a blowhard for crawfishing when asked to provide an example
[cue “I don’t care what you think”]
I get the concept and the historical fact of secession. But in line with the OP, what in today’s world leads you to support it?
You obviously don’t have to answer, but you can certainly understand how I think you’re a blowhard for crawfishing when asked to provide an example
[cue “I don’t care what you think”]
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:04 pm to boosiebadazz
Not yet, but the fallacy is in believing most of the people who support secession are for war.
There were even some rumblings among "Progressives" about secession when Trump won, so the idea is out there.
My hope is that people start to finally hate our government so much, that it becomes obvious to everyone that we need to go our separate ways.
Like I said earlier, the country clearly isn't at that point yet, but it seems to be on that path.
There were even some rumblings among "Progressives" about secession when Trump won, so the idea is out there.
My hope is that people start to finally hate our government so much, that it becomes obvious to everyone that we need to go our separate ways.
Like I said earlier, the country clearly isn't at that point yet, but it seems to be on that path.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:04 pm to OMLandshark
Why would any kids have to be sacrificed? Why would secession have to be violent? Some leftist authoritarian types wouldn't fight to force right-wingers to stay in a union that they don't agree with morally or politically, would they?
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:05 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:I've read the Poli Board for several years and I doubt I've ever understood any of the conclusions you've reached on anything.
You obviously don’t have to answer, but you can certainly understand how I think you’re a blowhard for crawfishing when asked to provide an example
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:06 pm to G The Tiger Fan
quote:
Why would any kids have to be sacrificed?
Says every secessionist in human history.
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Why would secession have to be violent?
Because it is in its nature.
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Some leftist authoritarian types wouldn't fight to force right-wingers to stay in a union that they don't agree with morally or politically, would they?
Yeah, because the Bolsheviks were completely fine with this.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:06 pm to stuntman
Fair enough that it may not be violent, but I think you’re vastly overestimating the general public and their care about politics or current events.
We can’t even get half the country to vote; and somehow we think we’re going to break up the Union peacefully?
We can’t even get half the country to vote; and somehow we think we’re going to break up the Union peacefully?
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:06 pm to G The Tiger Fan
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Why would secession have to be violent?
It's more likely to be violent than it is to be nonviolent. The examples of a peaceful devolution are few and far between.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:07 pm to G The Tiger Fan
I’ll take that as blowhard and move on 
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:08 pm to xiv
quote:
By the votes of her constituents
You know that is not the point. You're dodging.
quote:
Spin. They aren’t in favor of the USSR; they’re in favor of slightly more socialism than we have now. I’m not, but jeez, calm down.
I am calm? But by your own statement, you concede my point. I never brought up USSR, you did.
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Because private companies are allowed to do that.
If only that were where it ended. In case you didn't know, they also have a monopoly on the internet. Their newest argument is that competition has to basically make their own new internet to compete. I dare say this, but it is likely a place where I would argue government intervention is necessary.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:09 pm to OMLandshark
quote:I'm learning a lot of stuff tonight. The Official OMLandshark Now It's OK To Call For Secession Threshold and now the Official OMLandshark This Is The Nature Of Secession And All Secession Attempts In History Past And Present Are Always The Same Axiom.
Because it is in its nature.
I should be getting college credit for this.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:09 pm to m2pro
quote:
m2pro
Are you willing to have your kid die to defeat this cause. Not yourself, but your kid. This is not worth dying for and you know it.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:11 pm to G The Tiger Fan
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I'm learning a lot of stuff tonight. The Official OMLandshark Now It's OK To Call For Secession Threshold and now the Official OMLandshark This Is The Nature Of Secession And All Secession Attempts In History Past And Present Are Always The Same Axiom
How often is secession not violent? Extremely rarely. Maybe I know more than you do, and your radical assumptions are just retarded. Unless you’re willing to put your kid’s life on the line for such a cause, shut the frick up.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:12 pm to m2pro
Sorry, but nothing you’ve said indicates that anything more than an unhinged fringe of the left (antifa) hates freedom and wants to destroy capitalism.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:12 pm to boosiebadazz
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Fair enough that it may not be violent, but I think you’re vastly overestimating the general public and their care about politics or current events.
I agree w/ this, actually. This is why I said in my second post on this topic that it won't happen now, or anytime in the near future. Too many people are just totally unaware of what liberty actually is.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:13 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Well yeah. And the reason for that violence would be leftists wanting to keep right-wingers in the Union. The gist of the thread is that some people are in support of secession because of the continued rise of the Marxist-Leftists in the US. Right-wingers wanting to not share a government with Marxist-Leftist would likely face violence from the left. Leftists are violent. This is a great reason not to want to share a government with them.
It's more likely to be violent than it is to be nonviolent.
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