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Posted on 10/9/18 at 5:13 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 10/9/18 at 5:13 pm to Antonio Moss
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The entire basis of the EC is maintain state power over the federal government. Like I said, you fundamentalists misunderstand the EC.
So much this. Which is why many pages ago I told OP he really needs to read the Federalist and Anti-federalist Papers.
His ignorance is rather apparent.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 5:26 pm to Centinel
The reason for the EC is to keep the POTUS office from being popularly decided. It has little to do with state power. The Senate was created to preserve the power of the states in the legislative process.
Beginning in the 1820s, the move away from what the FF's wanted was slow but steady. It was the movement toward popular control as "We, the people..." suggests. It began with some states allowing their Electors to be decided by a popular vote. By the 1850s every state did that. The EC the FF's envisioned was a goner by the 1850s.
After the CWar, slowly but surely some states began allowing their voters to directly elect US Senators instead of the corrupt state legislatures of those days. in 1913, the 17th Amendment spread that practice to all the states.
The trend in our history has been, for almost 200 years, toward democratization of our election process and legislative bodies. The EC won't be around in another 100 years. I am sorry I wont be there to see it abolished.
To the folks who suggest that, with no EC, the election would boil down to 8 cities votes. You are wrong. WITH the EC our election boils down to 8 close/swing states. The rest of us who live elsewhere have little input into what issues the campaign is fought on and what positions the candidates take. With no EC, every vote in every state would count exactly the same.
Beginning in the 1820s, the move away from what the FF's wanted was slow but steady. It was the movement toward popular control as "We, the people..." suggests. It began with some states allowing their Electors to be decided by a popular vote. By the 1850s every state did that. The EC the FF's envisioned was a goner by the 1850s.
After the CWar, slowly but surely some states began allowing their voters to directly elect US Senators instead of the corrupt state legislatures of those days. in 1913, the 17th Amendment spread that practice to all the states.
The trend in our history has been, for almost 200 years, toward democratization of our election process and legislative bodies. The EC won't be around in another 100 years. I am sorry I wont be there to see it abolished.
To the folks who suggest that, with no EC, the election would boil down to 8 cities votes. You are wrong. WITH the EC our election boils down to 8 close/swing states. The rest of us who live elsewhere have little input into what issues the campaign is fought on and what positions the candidates take. With no EC, every vote in every state would count exactly the same.
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 5:27 pm
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