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Nintendo and Emulation
Posted on 8/24/18 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 8/24/18 at 12:15 pm
Let me start off by saying that I understand Nintendo and any other publisher has the right to protect their IP and the distribution channels for them. I dont condone piracy and I usually buy official copies for the games I emulate.
My issue with Nintendo is how they choose to go about lawsuits and their contradictory nature about stopping Roms.
They are not doing it for game preservation, but for money. There are many roms that are created because Nintendo no longer publishes certain games. Some games were also region locked and they are only available aftermarket. They only care about selling you Super Mario Bros and other top selling games.
Oh yeah, and aftermarket sales are still legal. Even though the publisher makes zero profit from those sales.
Am I ever going to get Fire Emblem Genealogy of the Holy War or any other rare and/or regional title from Nintendo, probably never.
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Posted on 8/24/18 at 2:19 pm to volod
quote:Well yeah. They are a business. What's wrong with this mindset?
They are not doing it for game preservation, but for money.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 2:27 pm to volod
quote:Which of those 2 things do you think their shareholders care about more?
They are not doing it for game preservation, but for money.
I don't agree with the decision but I understand it and the motivation. They've indicated they want to re-release some of their classic games, updated with modern features such a leaderboards and online play. I could see some people really getting into online rankings of who can beat Punch-Out! or Super Mario Brothers 2 the fastest or with the most points, etc. Roms can diminish the appeal of those offerings.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 2:30 pm to DieDaily
The entire NES library (plus fan made hacks and sequels, etc) can all be download at 65 MB, that's 655+ games in one click.
They can't take them off the net
They can't take them off the net
Posted on 8/24/18 at 2:43 pm to volod
I'd be fine with them if they'd actually do something with the IP's, but they're just going to sit on it. Beastcast talked about it last week how the gaming industry is horrible at archiving it's history, and as of right now, emulation is all we have.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 2:49 pm to musick
quote:I understand. I have the entire US library of NES and SNES games on a Raspberry Pi and the entire world wide catalogs on a PC, including prototypes, fan hacks, etc.
They can't take them off the net
But they can take down some of the top results off of Google to deter some people. I have co-workers who won't touch anything having to do with Bittorrent because it's intimidating to them, etc. A link on a random Rom site, though, is much easier for them to do on a lark.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 2:51 pm to sicboy
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I'd be fine with them if they'd actually do something with the IP's, but they're just going to sit on it. Beastcast talked about it last week how the gaming industry is horrible at archiving it's history, and as of right now, emulation is all we have.
How long till abandoneware that hasn't been in retail sale for decades becomes public domain?
Posted on 8/24/18 at 2:52 pm to DieDaily
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But they can take down some of the top results off of Google to deter some people. I have co-workers who won't touch anything having to do with Bittorrent because it's intimidating to them, etc. A link on a random Rom site, though, is much easier for them to do on a lark.
This doesn't effect much though in the long run. If you can't figure out bittorrent then you probably should be building retro pi's anyway.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 3:01 pm to musick
quote:Well, they can just play it on the PC they downloaded it to or even copy it to a smartphone or tablet to play it on.
If you can't figure out bittorrent then you probably should be building retro pi's anyway.
Most people download a rom to just satisfy their curiosity about something they remember liking as a kid. And I suspect most people discover that many of their favorite games don't hold up and it ends there. I think the NES Classic's success was an example of this and I also bet most of those people who bought one aren't even playing it any more.
But yeah, I really wouldn't mind this as much if Nintendo was actually doing something interesting with these games. I thought the NES Remix games, some of which had 2 games combined into something new, were the beginnings of Nintendo learning this, but I guess not.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 3:18 pm to musick
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How long till abandoneware that hasn't been in retail sale for decades becomes public domain?
If Nintendo has it's way, never.
They want to be your only source. Yet they dont and will never offer you the full library of games.
It's like saying you want to be the only ice cream shop in town and only offered vanilla and chocolate. You desperately try to shut down that SOB serving all the fruit flavors.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 3:24 pm to DieDaily
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Most people download a rom to just satisfy their curiosity about something they remember liking as a kid. And I suspect most people discover that many of their favorite games don't hold up and it ends there. I think the NES Classic's success was an example of this and I also bet most of those people who bought one aren't even playing it any more.
This happens even to those of us who do play roms and hacks.
I remember reading that roughly 90% of gamers today never finish their games. And these are modern games were talking about.
Some if those older games are harder than what people remember (watch AVGN or other retro channels).
Posted on 8/24/18 at 3:35 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Well yeah. They are a business. What's wrong with this mindset?
I own an OG SNES, Gameboy advance, Nintendo DS Lite, 3DS, and the Switch.
I'm all about supporting companies and they understand their profit motive.
As someone else said, companies are notorious for shelving IPs that will never see the light of day. Once those original copies are gone (and they usually are) the only hope is to use emulation.
If Nintendo goes after this, at least be honest about it and go after you IPs that you still sell and not abandon ware.
Posted on 8/24/18 at 4:42 pm to volod
Nintendo is run by a bunch of old, draconian Japanese dudes. This is why they take such a hardline stance on emulation.
Emulation, I feel, is much more than simply playing Super Mario Brothers on your computer as opposed to paying Nintendo $7.99 to play it on the Switch.
Many games are not available nor have they ever been available for purchase outside of their original format. Other games were released only in foreign markets thus translated Rom hacks are the only way to play certain games.
I think people who buy classic Nintendo titles on the 3DS, Wii, or Switch buy them there because they want to play those games on those consoles. I just don't see emulation, which has existed for years, affecting their profits.
Nevermind the fact that Nintendo will never rid the internet of emulation. There are literally hundreds of sites out there that host ROM downloads. More will continue to pop up over time, and this isn't even talking about downloading roms via torrent sites.
This just unnecessary hassle on their part and paints the company in a negative light.
Emulation, I feel, is much more than simply playing Super Mario Brothers on your computer as opposed to paying Nintendo $7.99 to play it on the Switch.
Many games are not available nor have they ever been available for purchase outside of their original format. Other games were released only in foreign markets thus translated Rom hacks are the only way to play certain games.
I think people who buy classic Nintendo titles on the 3DS, Wii, or Switch buy them there because they want to play those games on those consoles. I just don't see emulation, which has existed for years, affecting their profits.
Nevermind the fact that Nintendo will never rid the internet of emulation. There are literally hundreds of sites out there that host ROM downloads. More will continue to pop up over time, and this isn't even talking about downloading roms via torrent sites.
This just unnecessary hassle on their part and paints the company in a negative light.
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