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re: Judge slaps Mueller AGAIN
Posted on 8/3/18 at 5:10 am to Sidicous
Posted on 8/3/18 at 5:10 am to Sidicous
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You actually do have a point here on Cyprus and Ukrainian and Russian banking. To this day a lot of Ukrainian money goes to Cyprus for financial safety reasons.
Right. Prosecutors are alleging that Manafort was paid in "loans" (not expected to be paid back) from money that was essentially stolen from the people of Ukraine (i.e. the money was laundered which is the justification for the money laundering charges he'll face in his Washington D.C. trial next month). The prosecutors are presenting evidence that Manafort banked in Cyprus and created multiple shell companies to both protect the money from Ukrainian authorities and allow him to anonymously finish laundering the money and avoid paying U.S. taxes by paying his expenses through the shell companies. He created fake invoices to justify intentionally overpaying various American vendors (who I assume the government will try to show paid him back), finishing the laundering.
This post was edited on 8/3/18 at 5:15 am
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Posted on 8/3/18 at 9:55 am to TigerDoc
Did Manafort have a contract with the Ukrainian Party of Regions? Yes or no?
If so, how was the consideraion agreed upon, to be paid to Manafort? Is it the government's contention that US Law can dictate to a foreign government how a US citizen working on the foreign country's behalf is to be paid ?
I'm not talking about how the money was repatriated to the US, I'm actually addressing the money laundering charges. The government would have to say that Manafort's money was earned through illegal means, i.e. like drug running or gun running, etc. If all Manafort was doing was political consulting and it was contracted out, spelled out what his services would be, then Manafort can be paid in any manner that he and the Ukrainians see fit for activities done in the Ukraine.
American tax procedures and monetary repatriation, as I said, are a different story. As I said Mueller's case on money laundering, and bank fraud are thin.....a reach. The tax evasion is the best case. The FARA charge is a civil beef at best and lying to the FBI is a gratuitous charge that the government likes to stack on indictments.
If so, how was the consideraion agreed upon, to be paid to Manafort? Is it the government's contention that US Law can dictate to a foreign government how a US citizen working on the foreign country's behalf is to be paid ?
I'm not talking about how the money was repatriated to the US, I'm actually addressing the money laundering charges. The government would have to say that Manafort's money was earned through illegal means, i.e. like drug running or gun running, etc. If all Manafort was doing was political consulting and it was contracted out, spelled out what his services would be, then Manafort can be paid in any manner that he and the Ukrainians see fit for activities done in the Ukraine.
American tax procedures and monetary repatriation, as I said, are a different story. As I said Mueller's case on money laundering, and bank fraud are thin.....a reach. The tax evasion is the best case. The FARA charge is a civil beef at best and lying to the FBI is a gratuitous charge that the government likes to stack on indictments.
Posted on 8/3/18 at 10:04 am to TigerDoc
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Right. Prosecutors are alleging that Manafort was paid in "loans" (not expected to be paid back) from money that was essentially stolen from the people of Ukraine (i.e. the money was laundered which is the justification for the money laundering charges he'll face in his Washington D.C. trial next month). The prosecutors are presenting evidence that Manafort banked in Cyprus and created multiple shell companies to both protect the money from Ukrainian authorities and allow him to anonymously finish laundering the money and avoid paying U.S. taxes by paying his expenses through the shell companies. He created fake invoices to justify intentionally overpaying various American vendors (who I assume the government will try to show paid him back), finishing the laundering.
All this financial stuff is going to put the jury to sleep. I'm sticking to my theory the jury cannot convict due to the complexity of the case.
Average jury is average American of ~100 IQ who is more involved and concerned in day to day life. The Cartrashians, movie reviews, music, beer drinking, sports, etc.. The Average American has trouble balancing their own bank account.
Somehow it is thought we can educate and explain all this complicated financial stuff to a jury, while the defense muddies up all the terms, and achieve a conviction.
It only takes 1 to refuse to be a political tool of the State. Manafort might, possibly, a small chance of, get convicted of some ancillary lesser charge: obstruction, FARA, false statement to investigator.
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