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Are we sure Bryce Harper is that great?
Posted on 7/23/18 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 7/23/18 at 8:24 pm
He’s obviously a good ballplayer, but he is going to get paid all time great money. Is he an all-time great?
Inb4: clown question bro
Inb4: clown question bro
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 8:27 pm
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 8:28 pm to RedRifle
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Is he an all-time great?
Of course not but it won't matter. Some team will back up the Brinks truck to sign him this off-season.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 8:30 pm to RedRifle
Yes he won the home run derby
Posted on 7/23/18 at 8:30 pm to RedRifle
i like how a down season for him is 1 HR off the lead for HR's in the NL
Posted on 7/23/18 at 8:35 pm to Lester Earl
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This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 7/23/18 at 8:39 pm to Lester Earl
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i like how a down season for him is 1 HR off the lead for HR's in the NL
It's not really much of a down season though. He's on pace to have his third 1 WAR season in the last five years. Harper is what he is which is a very inconsistent player.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 8:46 pm to RedRifle
I was looking at his career stats. I'd hate to be paying him 30mil+ per year for his down seasons, and he has them and they aren't superstar caliber.
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.319
.218 his last 3 years batting average. He averages .278 for his career.
You can find a RF who can put up .260-.270 20-30hr. That's sort of who he is.
.243
.319
.218 his last 3 years batting average. He averages .278 for his career.
You can find a RF who can put up .260-.270 20-30hr. That's sort of who he is.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 8:48 pm to SeeeeK
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You can find a RF who can put up .260-.270 20-30hr. That's sort of who he is.
Ya man they are practically growing on trees
Posted on 7/23/18 at 8:52 pm to SeeeeK
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You can find a RF who can put up .260-.270 20-30hr. That's sort of who he is.
how many with a career 384 OBP
Posted on 7/23/18 at 8:53 pm to JuliusEvola
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Ya man they are practically growing on trees
17 RF who had 20 or more Homers, 9 in that .260-270 region
they are out there, and they dont cost 30mil+ per year
Posted on 7/23/18 at 8:57 pm to SeeeeK
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You can find a RF who can put up .260-.270 20-30hr. That's sort of who he is.
He has a career wRC+ of 139. And he started playing at an age when most players would be in college or A-ball.
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 7/23/18 at 8:57 pm to SeeeeK
How many are 25
How many get on base at a 38% clip
How many get on base at a 38% clip
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:09 pm to GynoSandberg
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How many are 25
I can think of seven players in his age group who are better than him. Trout, Betts, Bryant, Lindor, Arenado, Machado, and Jose Ramirez. You know players who are more durable, more consistent offensively, and are better fielders at more premium defensive positions.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:17 pm to Bench McElroy
Career WAR
Bryce Harper 28.8
Machado 27.8
Mookie Betts 26.7
Arenado 23.8
Kris Bryant 22.9
Lindor 21.1
Jose Ramirez 20.0
Interesting take. Someone who isn't durable, not consistent offensively, and isn't a good fielder somehow accumulates more WAR than anyone on your list not named Trout
Bryce Harper 28.8
Machado 27.8
Mookie Betts 26.7
Arenado 23.8
Kris Bryant 22.9
Lindor 21.1
Jose Ramirez 20.0
Interesting take. Someone who isn't durable, not consistent offensively, and isn't a good fielder somehow accumulates more WAR than anyone on your list not named Trout
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:24 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:27 pm to Lester Earl
WAR Last Four Seasons which includes Harper's historically great 2015 season
Fangraphs WAR
Trout- 32.4
Betts- 24.9
Bryant- 22.9
Lindor- 21.1
Arenado- 19.4
Machado- 19.3
Ramirez- 18.8
Harper- 18.7
rWAR (Baseball Reference WAR)
Trout- 33.5
Betts- 28.6
Arenado- 23.7
Lindor- 22.0
Bryant- 21.5
Machado- 20.6
Ramirez- 19.3
Harper- 16.4
Harper is dead last among both groups even though I included his 10 WAR 2015 season. If it was just from the last three seasons, he would be dead last by an even bigger margin.
Fangraphs WAR
Trout- 32.4
Betts- 24.9
Bryant- 22.9
Lindor- 21.1
Arenado- 19.4
Machado- 19.3
Ramirez- 18.8
Harper- 18.7
rWAR (Baseball Reference WAR)
Trout- 33.5
Betts- 28.6
Arenado- 23.7
Lindor- 22.0
Bryant- 21.5
Machado- 20.6
Ramirez- 19.3
Harper- 16.4
Harper is dead last among both groups even though I included his 10 WAR 2015 season. If it was just from the last three seasons, he would be dead last by an even bigger margin.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:29 pm to Bench McElroy
All eight of those players are great, even if you are the worst one of the group, you are still great. And I'm not sure Harper is the worst of that group.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:49 pm to Bench McElroy
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I can think of seven players in his age group who are better than him. Trout, Betts, Bryant, Lindor, Arenado, Machado, and Jose Ramirez. You know players who are more durable, more consistent offensively, and are better fielders at more premium defensive positions.
And how many will hit the open market?
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:57 pm to RedRifle
Not wasting time arguing his rank amongst his peers, just wanna say I'm glad my team isn't the one that will surely overpay him.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 9:58 pm to msutiger
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He’s pulling the ball a little more this year
The shift has murdered him this year
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