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All the talk on Roe V. Wade
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:09 pm
With all the talk on Roe V. Wade lately I’d genuinely like to year from the other side of my argument. I’m not looking to be affirmed in my argument. But simply cannot understand how the pro-choice movement is still scientifically relevant. Please, no angry arguments. Thanks
My stance is very clear: one does not have the right to take the life of another unless one is doing so out of the act of self defense.
Now in the pregnancy process, when the sperm contacts an ovum, it ends with the intermingling of chromosomes from both the sperm and ovum to produce a full set of chromosomes. 46 in most humans. The result is a zygote. At this point (far before a woman knows she’s even pregnant) what has developed is something completely unique and different than the mother. What makes us different and human is our own DNA sequence. Since this is the case, how can it be okay to take that unique being (regardless of how unlike it is to looks of a human being) when in fact it is a life developing and human?
My stance is very clear: one does not have the right to take the life of another unless one is doing so out of the act of self defense.
Now in the pregnancy process, when the sperm contacts an ovum, it ends with the intermingling of chromosomes from both the sperm and ovum to produce a full set of chromosomes. 46 in most humans. The result is a zygote. At this point (far before a woman knows she’s even pregnant) what has developed is something completely unique and different than the mother. What makes us different and human is our own DNA sequence. Since this is the case, how can it be okay to take that unique being (regardless of how unlike it is to looks of a human being) when in fact it is a life developing and human?
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Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:12 pm to Pere_bear
No personhood argument, no care.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:12 pm to Pere_bear
People for abortion thinks it's not a baby until you have to put a diaper on it. That about sums it up.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:15 pm to Joshjrn
Just for the sake of understanding, what is your definition of personhood?
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:17 pm to Pere_bear
According to google: the quality or condition of being an individual person. That was precisely my point. Our DNA sequence is what makes us individual and unique.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:20 pm to Pere_bear
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My stance is very clear: one does not have the right to take the life of another unless one is doing so out of the act of self defense.
The Libertarian view is very consistent. If you believe that it's a living person then abortion infringes upon it's freedom.
If you believe it is not a living person then banning abortion infringes on the mother's freedom.
The majority of registered Libertarians take the pro choice view.
I like Camille Paglia's view: 'I'm pro choice but don't tell me it's not a human because it insults my intelligence. I don't have a problem with killing humans. We do it all the time.'
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:22 pm to Pere_bear
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My stance is very clear: one does not have the right to take the life of another unless one is doing so out of the act of self defense.
The left doesn't frame it as criminal law. As a person vs. a person.
They frame it as "control over my body." They frame it as removing a part of themselves.
They've been very successful at moving the goalposts and rephrasing the argument.
People who are for abortion are obsessed with and only talk about how the government shouldn't be able to tell someone what to do with their body. It's a very libertarian argument that appeals to most people. So they use that.
But if the argument was just about killing another human being - there would be no such support. So the left has gone to great lengths to convince the public that it's not a human being during the allowable abortion timeframe.
Women who support abortion assert they are not just "carriers" of life. But what is inside them is themselves and they have ownership of it to do as they please. Abortion is sadly viewed as empowerent to them in the women's movement. It was the big issue for NOW in the 60's and 70's. They saw the view that they were just unwitting carriers of life as slavery.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:24 pm to Pere_bear
woman can pay a man to scrape a baby out her vagina but not pay a man to scrape his dick in it? Pro choice crowd only cares about choices involving killing babies. Let’s be real.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:25 pm to Homesick Tiger
I got a question for anyone. How do I react to a female that had no qualms about telling me she had an abortion and seemed a little proud of the fact and then about a year or so later she was seeking sympathy for a miscarriage?
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:28 pm to Homesick Tiger
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How do I react to a female that had no qualms about telling me she had an abortion and seemed a little proud of the fact and then about a year or so later she was seeking sympathy for a miscarriage?
Oh, hypotheticals.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:30 pm to PNW
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Oh, hypotheticals.
No, her name is Melinda. Try again.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:32 pm to Pere_bear
If men had babies abortions would get performed at wal-mart and there'd be tens of millions more of them per year. Imagine the Alabama QB getting pregnant and all the women in this country telling him he must have his baby and miss out on playing in the NC game. Bet 100% of Alabama fans would be for abortions then.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:33 pm to Homesick Tiger
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got a question for anyone. How do I react to a female that had no qualms about telling me she had an abortion and seemed a little proud of the fact and then about a year or so later she was seeking sympathy for a miscarriage?
Depends how you feel about this person. I think the reality is we have far less “choice” in our life as we would like to believe and that a group like proabortion groups who try and sell you this notion of choices and freedom from consequences shouldn’t be trusted.
Tell her choices are for the beer and ice cream aisle. Outside of that, the notion of choice is a fantasy.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:34 pm to Ole Messcort
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If men had babies abortions would get performed at wal-mart and there'd be tens of millions more of them per year. Imagine the Alabama QB getting pregnant and all the women in this country telling him he must have his baby and miss out on playing in the NC game. Bet 100% of Alabama fans would be for abortions then.
This is ridiculous. Our backup QBs are always better than the starter anyway!
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:34 pm to Joshjrn
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Overly simplified, it’s the acquisition of status in which one has full rights granted to an individual, autonomous person.
This thread will clarify:
This was something that I was looking for. Thanks for the link. Well explained and thorough.
Some points that I would rebuttle. Humanity has (as you have correctly stated) defined human persons in different ways. Slavery, the Nazi’s to the Jews, and so on and so forth. However, these were all mistakes. We have come to learn that. Slaves or prisoners, while at some point in time have been deemed as not humans, are now seen as humans that still have dignity, despite their social status. Thus I too am against the death penalty for prisoners.
What was right in history is not necessarily okay. My position is that we are making a mistake with the pre-born in deeming them not human, and without the rights afforded to us by our constitution.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:36 pm to Pere_bear
It's crazy that the same people who are pro abortion are the ones who want guns banned because of "violence".
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:39 pm to Random MsState Fan
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It's crazy that the same people who are pro abortion are the ones who want guns banned because of "violence".
It's called pro-choice but you know that and are just trolling right now.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:39 pm to Joshjrn
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Overly simplified, it’s the acquisition of status in which one has full rights granted to an individual, autonomous person
Sounds remarkably similar to the Dred Scott decision.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 1:40 pm to Ole Messcort
Pro Choice? Then the babies should have a choice on whether to live. It is the babies body that is being harmed.
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