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re: Manafort in Solitary

Posted on 7/7/18 at 12:27 am to
Posted by Paluka
One State Over
Member since Dec 2010
10763 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 12:27 am to
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Yeah, cause everyone knows how tough guys in federal prison have it when they go in for illegally moving money around oversees.

Right up there with child rapists.


I don’t think the guy should be incarcerated at all but if he’s going to be in there he probably prefers being in ad seg.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Member since Sep 2003
125490 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 3:50 am to
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Right until he decided to tamper with witnesses
An accusation about which he has been convicted in absence of fair trial or jury verdict. It is an obscenity. Taxpayer cost alone makes it so. Take the guy's phone access, confine him to home. Imprisoning him in a HSF with no alternative, but solitary is criminal in and of itself.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
44069 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 4:38 am to
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quote:
Jack ruby shooting sirhan sirhan.

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Now that's a strange typo.


I read that as another "Germany bombed Pearl Harbor" type statement - actually chuckled.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15251 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 4:46 am to
I am not a tiny guy but if I was sent to jail I dunno about you but I would REQUEST solitary. It's protective custody.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
44069 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 4:53 am to
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I am not a tiny guy but if I was sent to jail I dunno about you but I would REQUEST solitary. It's protective custody.


That has always been my tacit belief also - not familiar enough with the dark side to be comfortable with inmates. Of course that assumes I was innocent - if I were guilty, then I'd probably have more real knowledge about it.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15251 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:00 am to
I think there are two kinds of solitary.

One is punitive. It's the "bad one" you hear about, and especially bad at those super max prisons out in Colorado, etc.

Then there solitary-protective. I mean, beforehand, surely the term protective custody was used, what do people posting here think this meant (not aiming this at you)? That he was escorted everywhere by a guard at all times and allowed to hang out with the warden? Of course if was solitary. But this kind I think is gentler, you can get mail, get a tv, books from the library, etc.

I have zero experience with the prison system and don't intend to get it, that is just me thinking out loud.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Member since Sep 2003
125490 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 5:41 am to
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I think there are two kinds of solitary.
No.
There is but one kind of solitary.

There are a litany of reasons to punish a person by that type of confinement though. None of those reasons were either necessary or warranted in this case. Manifort has been found guilty of nothing. He could easily be housed at a low-security facility, or at home.

Manafort's treatment is inexcusable. It is a kangaroo court redress, and should be of concern to any American. It is outrageous, the stuff of the old USSR, and in the end that will prove to be the single strongest connection between the case of Paul Manafort and any "Russian collusion".
This post was edited on 7/7/18 at 5:46 am
Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Lafayette LA
Member since Nov 2005
14089 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:17 am to
That pussy couldn’t survive in GP.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Member since Sep 2003
125490 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:32 am to
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That pussy couldn’t survive in GP.
As a 70y/o white-collar multimillionaire, could you?
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
144198 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:33 am to
You calling someone a pussy is hilarious.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
144198 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:34 am to
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am not a tiny guy 


You admitted you are a far arse in your look at me attention seeking thread.
Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Lafayette LA
Member since Nov 2005
14089 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:37 am to
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He could easily be housed at a low-security facility, or at home.

We tried that “home” thing. Manafort didn’t change his behavior pattern. Same ole BS of thinking everyone should play by his rules.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Member since Sep 2003
125490 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:39 am to
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Manafort didn’t change his behavior pattern
Proof, Joseph Stalin?
There is none!
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
44069 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:41 am to
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He could easily be housed at a low-security facility, or at home.

Manafort's treatment is inexcusable


Where oh where is the ACLU????
Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Lafayette LA
Member since Nov 2005
14089 posts
Posted on 7/7/18 at 7:46 am to
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Proof, Joseph Stalin?
There is none!


Lifetime ban?

The people Manafort was trying to coerce into like testimony? They went to Mueller immediately when contacted by Manafort.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Member since Sep 2003
125490 posts
Posted on 7/8/18 at 6:11 am to
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Proof, Joseph Stalin?
The people Manafort was trying to coerce into like testimony?
How did the cross-examination of those supposedly coerced witnesses go exactly? What were the jury findings?

The purpose of remanding to custody PRIOR TO a trial by peers should be on basis of flight risk. If Manafort is on record consorting with witnesses, then by all means, cut off all his unmonitored nonprivileged communication.

But when a system throws Manafort in Solitary without a trial while allowing Bill Cosby to roam free for months FOLLOWING a jury conviction, something stinks-to-high-heaven.
Posted by Westworld
SEC Country
Member since Mar 2018
643 posts
Posted on 7/8/18 at 6:39 am to
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We tried that


So you claim to have esoteric knowledge of the Manafort case or are you simply a blowhard?
Posted by starsandstripes
Georgia
Member since Nov 2017
11897 posts
Posted on 7/8/18 at 6:42 am to
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Where oh where is the ACLU????


"Across the country, states are waking up to the fact that we must address our overreliance on solitary confinement. Long-term isolation costs too much, does nothing to rehabilitate prisoners, and exacerbates mental illness - or even causes it in prisoners who were healthy when they entered solitary. Officials in some states that formerly relied heavily on solitary confinement are now realizing that they should use public resources on proven policies that promote safe communities and fair treatment, and are successfully reducing the use of solitary - at the same time saving their states millions and reducing violence in the prisons. It's time for more states, and the federal Bureau of Prisons, to follow suit." They seem to be OK wiith it for Manafort

"This massive increase in the use of solitary has happened despite criticism from legal and medical professionals, who have deemed the practice unconstitutional and inhumane." But it's ok for Manafort as per the ACLU it seems

Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 7/8/18 at 6:43 am to
I like it. It means he's not giving them a fricking thing they want to hear.
Posted by starsandstripes
Georgia
Member since Nov 2017
11897 posts
Posted on 7/8/18 at 6:45 am to
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So you claim to have esoteric knowledge of the Manafort case or are you simply a blowhard?


he's a retard
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