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re: LSU units upgrades or downgrades
Posted on 6/29/18 at 1:01 pm to rmnldr
Posted on 6/29/18 at 1:01 pm to rmnldr
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push (Toliver and Jackson were solid at times but guys like Kary Vincent have a ton of potential)
Potential doesnt translate to on field performance. And with lack of depth it's a downgrade because its unknown how they will perform.
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Posted on 6/29/18 at 1:06 pm to IM_4_LSU
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Potential doesnt translate to on field performance. And with lack of depth it's a downgrade because its unknown how they will perform.
The lack of depth is concerning but we had a lack of quality depth last year as well. Towards the end of the season they played far less nickel and kept Corey Thompson in more.
Vincent and Kirklin should make big jumps. There’s tons of safeties that could come down and play in a nickel role as well, if needed. Then there’s Joseph coming in.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 1:08 pm to IM_4_LSU
Disagree. We have a top corner and stud safeties.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 1:11 pm to rmnldr
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Vincent and Kirklin should make big jumps. There’s tons of safeties that could come down and play in a nickel role as well, if needed. Then there’s Joseph coming in
Are we basing this off of a hypothetical? IF they improve? Well yes if they improve and perform it could be an upgrade. But from what we saw last year there is a reason why we quit playing Vincent (he became a liability in man coverage). We then in the bowl game didn't play Tolliver but for 2 plays. And by losing Jackson and Tolliver it makes it a downgrade off of what we know. Until we see actual results it cannot be assumed it's a push or an upgrade.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 1:12 pm to Pensacolatgr
Donte Jackson and Kevin Toliver might be the most overrated LSU duo of all time. I think whoever emerges opposite greedy will be at least as good if not better than both. DB should be an upgrade albeit lacking in depth.
Offensive line should be an upgrade. We were left royally F’d last year with the transfers/injuries but Ingram and Charles gained invaluable experience. I expect Brumfield and Lewis to be upgrades. Healthy Decalus is wild card but this line should be better overall than last year.
RB is the only obvious downgrade but I’m believing Clyde and Curry are going to emerge as a more than capable combo for us this year. More optimistic here than most but it also has a lot do with my belief the line will be a strength of the team and a balance of play calling will finally be there.
Joe Burrow is a significant upgrade over Etling and whoever was going to start out of the 3 musketeers and there’s no convincing me otherwise. I’m all in there.
DL and LB are obvious upgrades
WR should absolutely be an upgrade considering Chark was our only true threat in the passing game last year. Giles is a proven high achiever as a collegiate WR, No player has had as much preseason buzz from fresh to soph more year as Jefferson at WR since Beckham. Marshall and Chase have more talent/potential than anybody on the roster last year. It’s an upgrade no debate.
Cole Tracy has been automatic his entire career and if he’s half as good this season it will still be an upgrade from last year.
I see 10-2, we comin.
Offensive line should be an upgrade. We were left royally F’d last year with the transfers/injuries but Ingram and Charles gained invaluable experience. I expect Brumfield and Lewis to be upgrades. Healthy Decalus is wild card but this line should be better overall than last year.
RB is the only obvious downgrade but I’m believing Clyde and Curry are going to emerge as a more than capable combo for us this year. More optimistic here than most but it also has a lot do with my belief the line will be a strength of the team and a balance of play calling will finally be there.
Joe Burrow is a significant upgrade over Etling and whoever was going to start out of the 3 musketeers and there’s no convincing me otherwise. I’m all in there.
DL and LB are obvious upgrades
WR should absolutely be an upgrade considering Chark was our only true threat in the passing game last year. Giles is a proven high achiever as a collegiate WR, No player has had as much preseason buzz from fresh to soph more year as Jefferson at WR since Beckham. Marshall and Chase have more talent/potential than anybody on the roster last year. It’s an upgrade no debate.
Cole Tracy has been automatic his entire career and if he’s half as good this season it will still be an upgrade from last year.
I see 10-2, we comin.
This post was edited on 7/26/18 at 6:35 am
Posted on 6/29/18 at 1:13 pm to IM_4_LSU
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Tell me how?
They're talented but I wouldn't say it's an upgrade when you lose DJ Chark. Its unknown as of now but at least a push if you believe Giles will replace the production lost by Chark.
I know it’s not my post to defend but Giles could easily become that guy. He’s a very good route runner with speed and has great hands. He’s not as much of a vertical threat but we have guys like Drake Davis who can specialize in that. Giles is the type of guy to take a slant or a quick screen and taking it 30 yards.
Overall, the room should be improved, guys like Derrick Dillon, Drake Davis, and Stephen Sullivan should finally emerge. Chase and Alexander both have a good chance of getting early playing time as well.
Losing Russell Gage as a special teamer will probably hurt more than losing him as a wide receiver, and that’s not meant to be a knock on him.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 1:15 pm to jcole4lsu
Why is everyone so down on Brennan ? He is an upgrade from Etling. Give him a chance.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 1:15 pm to IM_4_LSU
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Are we basing this off of a hypothetical? IF they improve?
If they don’t improve then there’s a problem with the program or them then. Both looked vastly improved in the spring game.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 1:16 pm to Pensacolatgr
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We have a top corner and stud safeties
Same corner from last year lost the other 2 who played the most beside him. Having those 2 safeties in delpit and battle back are good. Battle is what he is in his 5th year a good player, bad in man coverage, average tackler. Delpit should improve from year 1 to 2. But losing 2 of the top 3 corners makes it a downgrade.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 1:22 pm to tigerfan92
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Why is everyone so down on Brennan ? He is an upgrade from Etling. Give him a chance.
Brennan was worse than Etling last season and will have to make a pretty big jump if he were to be starter and to be considered an upgrade.
His pre-snap reads are downright awful at times. I can’t tell if he’s being told to avoid one side of the field or he just doesn’t understand the route concepts and how to read them based on the coverage the defense is giving him.
I noticed on his high school tape that a good chunk of his production came on scramble drills and it reminded me of Brandon Harris’ tape. Not saying he is Brandon Harris or that his career will be the same, but he shares some of the same negative traits that Harris had.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 1:22 pm to rmnldr
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Overall, the room should be improved, guys like Derrick Dillon, Drake Davis, and Stephen Sullivan should finally emerge. Chase and Alexander both have a good chance of getting early playing time as well.
Let me first say I believe this is the most talented position group on the team and the deepest. But I'm not going off talent or potential to say upgrade or downgrade or push. I'm going off of on field performance. Cause everything else is based off assumptions.
Its like If after the 2010 season I were to say the RB position was an upgrade after losing Ridley. After the 2011 season I think it was an upgrade because of Ware and Ford over 700 yards and blue and Hilliard at 500. But it was an unknown at the time because of what we lost. Everything else was based off assumptions. That's all I'm doing.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 1:25 pm to IM_4_LSU
Those guys played a bunch last season. There’s a lot of tape you can see of them. 
Posted on 6/29/18 at 1:25 pm to HoopyD
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QB- Push
WR- Upgrade
TE- Upgrade
OL- Push (lots of potential but also lots of unproven talent)
RB- Downgrade
DL- Upgrade
LB- Upgrade
DBs- Downgrade
ST- Upgrade
Agree or disagree?
This is actually pretty good. Although i think OL could end up being a Downgrade.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 1:32 pm to airfernando
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RB- Push (at worst. Guice was limited)
Posted on 6/29/18 at 1:33 pm to The First Cut
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I guess you enjoyed last year's offense that produced less than Cam Cameron's offenses.
Cam’s offense was shutout against the gumps? Matt’s offense was shutout against the gumps? What about points versus the gayturds? Heck. What about the 1st half against Troy??
Posted on 6/29/18 at 1:33 pm to tigerfan92
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Why is everyone so down on Brennan ? He is an upgrade from Etling. Give him a chance.
And he apparently wouldnt even be the starter if the season started tomorrow.
From what we saw at the spring game its Burrow or Bust
Posted on 6/29/18 at 1:34 pm to rmnldr
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Those guys played a bunch last season. There’s a lot of tape you can see of them
After troy they quit playing them as much and stuck to playing DJ, gage, and dillion. Lost trust in the other players and started focusing on playing those 3. Mainly Chark and Gage
Posted on 6/29/18 at 1:36 pm to IM_4_LSU
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After troy they quit playing them as much and stuck to playing DJ, gage, and dillion. Lost trust in the other players and started focusing on playing those 3. Mainly Chark and Gage
Just Drake, really. Sullivan played the entire year.
Posted on 6/29/18 at 2:00 pm to jcole4lsu
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And he apparently wouldnt even be the starter if the season started tomorrow.
From what we saw at the spring game its Burrow or Bust
From what we saw @ The Spring Game, Jake Fromm won’t be the starter if the season started tomorrow. See how frivolous it is to use that as a barometer?
Posted on 6/29/18 at 2:03 pm to airfernando
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RB- Push (at worst. Guice was limited)
I think all points could be debatable, but this is flat out insane.
You think CEH, Brossette, Curry? = Guice and DW?
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