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re: What do liberals consider the reason south of border nations are failed states
Posted on 6/23/18 at 12:23 pm to Eurocat
Posted on 6/23/18 at 12:23 pm to Eurocat
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unfettered capitalism and in the case of Venezuela a poor execution of socialist policies.
It was the execution
Youll get it right next time!!
Posted on 6/23/18 at 12:24 pm to ShortyRob
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Why were we able to do that?
Well one reason is that the US had few rivals near its borders save for various indigenous groups. The Louisiana Purchase in 1803, when the country was young, ensured that that the country could expand westward with no state impeding it. Another reason is that the British colonial system was superior to the Iberian versions in Central and South America.
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why did they start out basically equal to us and then fall so far behind that we could do this?
Many of them did not start out equal to the US.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 12:27 pm to Strannix
We have installed many puppet governments in these countries in order to control their natural resources.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 12:29 pm to 337Tiger19
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Inferior People?
Awww, you think people, cultures and nations are all equal. That's so cute.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 12:34 pm to Strannix
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What do you call a people who’s tropical nations packed with natural resources are uninhabitable? Are they superior to the people who’s nations they try to flee to? Lets have a conversation.
You are right of course, but I’ll add that the white ruling classes encourage their brown underclass to leave.
Strangely, even with offloading their undesirables on a foreign government, they still can’t get their shite together.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 12:37 pm to Duke
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Geography is often forgotten. Natural harbors and ports, arable land that isn't jungly and difficult to develop, navigable waterways for shipping food/goods around the country/region, ect.
Funny mountainous countries with basically none of that like Switzerland are among the worlds wealthiest
This post was edited on 6/23/18 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 6/23/18 at 12:39 pm to 337Tiger19
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No I’m capable of seeing the advantages we have created for ourselves. There is no inherent advantage. We are all equal as people. If the argument is turning into what group of people is more superior to others, I’m out. Supremacism of any kind is something I don’t believe in.
Cultures are superior to other cultures. Your lack of comfort with that reality is irrelevant
Posted on 6/23/18 at 12:40 pm to Strannix
Do they have a country with insane demand for illegal drugs bordering it?
It's up to Mexico to solve their own problems but the massive demand for illegal drugs in the U.S. does create problems south of us. We can pretend it doesn't but it does.
It's up to Mexico to solve their own problems but the massive demand for illegal drugs in the U.S. does create problems south of us. We can pretend it doesn't but it does.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 12:42 pm to 337Tiger19
quote:Eugenics has nothing to do with it
Eugenics. Uncomfortable? No. Disappointed because I thought we were past thinking we’re superior to other people? Yeah.
But our culture is absolutely Superior to theirs. They tell us that every day with their feet
Posted on 6/23/18 at 12:43 pm to ShortyRob
And since we are using the excuse that basically says the United States caused all of those places to fail because of our imperialistic tendencies can someone explain to me how those Tendencies manage to frick up Brazil and Guatemala but not Canada
Posted on 6/23/18 at 12:47 pm to ShortyRob
Its not eugenics or race. It’s culture.
Stupid Americans think they are filled with little poor brown people, when Mexico is majority euro and Brazil is nearly 50 percent.
Stupid Americans think they are filled with little poor brown people, when Mexico is majority euro and Brazil is nearly 50 percent.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 12:50 pm to 337Tiger19
337Tiger19,
When are you going to give up your ill-gotten gains to equalize things?
We're waiting...
When are you going to give up your ill-gotten gains to equalize things?
We're waiting...
Posted on 6/23/18 at 12:53 pm to ShortyRob
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Cultures are superior to other cultures. Your lack of comfort with that reality is irrelevant
Cultures are fluid, mutable, and change. Someone mentioned Switzerland, a mountainous country with few natural resources. 150 years ago, Switzerland was among the poorest nations in Europe. The keys to its current wealth is multifaceted, but we can distill it to a couple of things. Firstly, the Swiss avoided the wars that characterized Central European geopolitics, with their last armed conflict a civil war in 1847. Secondly the Swiss championed the idea of dual education, an outgrowth of the apprenticeship and guild system of the medieval period, which provided Swiss companies with a skilled and well-educated workforce. The federal system in Switzerland also helps it navigate its diversity, as there are 4 national languages, by helping ensure local control. The cultural history of the Swiss, informed by its previous poverty, also helps.
The key for me is to avoid violence, especially in smaller nations which do not have much room for error. Central America in particular haven't been able to avoid violence for long enough periods to develop other cultural habits that are needed for a country to succeed. Avoiding violence is fundamental, as well as finding the right political system for the groups that inhabit a country. Switzerland direct democracy wouldn't work as well, in all probability, in larger countries, but it seems to work there.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 12:57 pm to ShortyRob
Because of unchecked capitalism
Posted on 6/23/18 at 12:59 pm to crazy4lsu
How does a violent culture avoid violence?
Posted on 6/23/18 at 1:06 pm to ShortyRob
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And since we are using the excuse that basically says the United States caused all of those places to fail because of our imperialistic tendencies can someone explain to me how those Tendencies manage to frick up Brazil and Guatemala but not Canada
I mean, one reason that the British created the Dominion of Canada was that there were fears of American invasion and interference in British-Canadian politics. Post WWI, the Canadians wrote a contingency plan, called Defense Scheme no.1, which detailed a counterattack plan in the case of American invasion.
The Monroe Doctrine, the Big Brother Policy, the Roosevelt Corollary and Dollar Diplomacy did have an effect on Western Hemisphere politics, but it worked both ways. For example, the US Navy dissuaded the Germans from an invasion of Venezuela.
American imperialism has been somewhat more interested in preventing European powers from gaining another foothold in the West, rather than strictly dominating Latin America. It tended to dominate the entire Western Hemisphere anyway by virtue of its wealth, and absence of neighboring rivals, which is the most important reason for American dominance in the West.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 1:15 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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How does a violent culture avoid violence?
Well firstly, you need to let groups win. The reason why Europe has found relative peace was that they had centuries of warfare, from the Hundred Years War onward to WWII, was that there were clear winners and losers. That's an oversimplification, but preventing conflict and letting groups remain who still have claims is almost always going to ensure further violence. For the nation-state system that's been in place since Westphalia, you need to develop nation-states that are mostly organic. After all the coups and juntas in South America, you have had relative peace, and with that the creation of wealth. Brazil, for example, might reach a GDP of 2 trillion in the next five years, and their poverty rate is now below 5%.
But all human cultures have strains of violence, because humans are innately violent, and designing institutions with the belief that they are not violent is a surefire way to ensure more violence. I'd argue that ending the Drug War, with the effects it has had on the Northern Triangle, is important for ending endemic, organized violence in Central America.
Posted on 6/23/18 at 1:20 pm to Smart Post
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When are you going to give up your ill-gotten gains to equalize things? We're waiting...
My ill-gotten gains? My ancestors didn’t have much of a choice in coming over here in order to help build a country that would go on to destabilize others for personal gain no matter how violent the consequences. They did it for free and were not asked for much input. In fact, any kind of education to form opinions was frowned upon at the time. You’re welcome. I hope you enjoy this almighty superior culture and society we have.
Donald Trump is our President. Gun Violence like we have is something most industrialized nations cannot fathom. Germany, France, Canada, and China are starting to lead the World. We incarcerate the most people on the planet per capita since we’re on the subject of family separation.
Superior Culture huh?
This post was edited on 6/23/18 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 6/23/18 at 1:26 pm to Strannix
Economics
Banana republics.
Exploitative 1%
Jungle
Mountains
Volcanos
Banana republics.
Exploitative 1%
Jungle
Mountains
Volcanos
Posted on 6/23/18 at 1:35 pm to el Gaucho
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People in South America are all descended
An Empire of 100,000 warriors who were defeated and conquered by 168 Spanish soldiers.
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