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re: Don Felder & Bernie Leadon vs Don Felder & Joe Walsh
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:11 am to TigerNlc
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:11 am to TigerNlc
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Randy Meisner
I love his voice.. especially backing vox. His vocals while in Rick Nelson's band were great. Randy's bass playing on Outlaw Man and Too Many Hands are legit
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:17 am to MidnightVibe
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And what happens if people can't agree on the songwriting contributions before a song gets put out?
I think with most creative arts, there is an arbitration process at the collaboration stage. So, I suspect ASCAP, BMI or SESAC would resolve it for songwriting partners.
That was another trick that Henley and Frey used with the Eagles, "add a word, get a third" - and with their dominant level of creative control of the Eagles, this gave them the lion's share of royalties.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 12:41 pm to TigerNlc
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Timothy B Schmit creeps me out.
Without him they don't have their best song, I Can't Tell You Why.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 1:59 pm to geauxbrown
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On the other hand, studio guys are the ones who get the shaft on this type of thing. A good example would be Pete Carr's guitar intro on Bob Segar's "Main Street." That guitar intro is a HUGE part of that song and yet he's not credited with any of the writing credit. He basically made "scale" to help write one of the more iconic rock tracks of all time.
That is the life of a session player, particular players are often hired because their ability to create great unique riffs. Considering the number of songs that a studio musician plays on, and the very very small percentage that ever become classics, and real money makers, it is doubtful that any session player would trade their hourly scale to play for possible future royalties.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 3:26 pm to Ace Midnight
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That was another trick that Henley and Frey used with the Eagles, "add a word, get a third" - and with their dominant level of creative control of the Eagles, this gave them the lion's share of royalties.
That sounds kinda shady. I can see why Felder got pissed.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 5:15 pm to 91TIGER
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Without him they don't have their best song, I Can't Tell You Why.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:45 pm to EA6B
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On the other hand, studio guys are the ones who get the shaft on this type of thing. A good example would be Pete Carr's guitar intro on Bob Segar's "Main Street." That guitar intro is a HUGE part of that song and yet he's not credited with any of the writing credit. He basically made "scale" to help write one of the more iconic rock tracks of all time.
That is the life of a session player, particular players are often hired because their ability to create great unique riffs. Considering the number of songs that a studio musician plays on, and the very very small percentage that ever become classics, and real money makers, it is doubtful that any session player would trade their hourly scale to play for possible future royalties.
I guess that depends on who you are and where you work. I know guys like Waddy Watchel, Leland Sklar, Russ Kunckle and other L A session greats played on tons of hits. Sklar tells the story of Phil Collins bringing in his first solo album with nothing but block chords on it, almost like a demo. Sklar wrote all the bass parts including several hooks that were used.
I do understand what you're saying though and agree that most won't ever have that type of success.
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 6/19/18 at 7:03 am to geauxbrown
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Waddy Watchel
Waddy was kind of an interesting figure of 1970s music - he played on a lot of records and was on a lot of tours. My assumption is, he could have picked up a permanent gig with someone, if he chose, but must have preferred his independence, ironically "being his own boss" while working primarily for other people. Obviously, he had long-standing partnerships with Zevon, Ronstadt, Buckingham Nicks/Fleetwood Mac, etc.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 8:52 am to Ace Midnight
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Waddy was kind of an interesting figure of 1970s music - he played on a lot of records and was on a lot of tours. My assumption is, he could have picked up a permanent gig with someone, if he chose, but must have preferred his independence, ironically "being his own boss" while working primarily for other people. Obviously, he had long-standing partnerships with Zevon, Ronstadt, Buckingham Nicks/Fleetwood Mac, etc.
+1000
Good guitarist but a really creepy dude. He had a bit of that "Pete Townsend" in him, in that he was also into and subsequently busted for kiddie porn.
However, I've seen him play with both Stevie Nicks and his own idol-Keith Richards, and he can really play.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 11:44 pm to Ace Midnight
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Waddy was kind of an interesting figure of 1970s music - he played on a lot of records and was on a lot of tours. My assumption is, he could have picked up a permanent gig with someone, if he chose, but must have preferred his independence, ironically "being his own boss" while working primarily for other people. Obviously, he had long-standing partnerships with Zevon, Ronstadt, Buckingham Nicks/Fleetwood Mac, etc.
He tells the story about going in the 7-11 back in the day and being so broke he couldn't afford a pack of smokes. He said while he's standing at the counter, scrounging through his pockets for change, Andrew Gold's, Lonely Boy comes on over the speakers. He decides to go for it and tells the cashier, hey hear that guitar solo? That's me...... He goes onto add....there I was, broke off my arse and my guitar solo is on the radio.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 10:04 am to hogcard1964
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He had a bit of that "Pete Townsend" in him, in that he was also into and subsequently busted for kiddie porn.
Pete had a plausible reason and was ultimately exonerated.
Waddy only got caught when he brought a computer somewhere to be worked on.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 10:05 am
Posted on 6/20/18 at 6:01 pm to Bunk Moreland
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about all of the a-holes Geffen has worked with to earn that honor. Oh, and while Henley/Frey were huge douchebags, I don't think Felder was an angel. As Frey said, dude you are not singing, we have Don Henley.
Geffen is an asshoole of epic proportions.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 6:03 pm to Bunk Moreland
Schmidt says Poco, brah.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 7:35 pm to Ace Midnight
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Waddy was kind of an interesting figure of 1970s music
One producer compared Waddy to Mark Knopfler, saying that neither played anything the same way twice.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 4:03 pm to Sayre
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Pete had a plausible reason and was ultimately exonerated.
He was "exonerated" after he no longer had to be registered as a sex offender. He was also guilty as hell.
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