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re: LeBron James to co-produce HBO documentary on exploitative world of college sports
Posted on 6/12/18 at 8:59 am to CptBengal
Posted on 6/12/18 at 8:59 am to CptBengal
quote:It's factually correct, try to keep up
This is pathetic.
quote:Cool, so let's start paying coaches and ADs with free meals and boarding then.
I didn't realize getting an education meant somebody has to subsidize your parents
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:01 am to tduecen
quote:So do they have everything they want or not?
Oh yeah, of course I would have had to quit school if I had to help my parents plus pay for everything to keep myself afloat. That or I take out substantial student loans in order to make ends meet.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:01 am to Bench McElroy
How can he be a champion of this if he has never stepped foot on a college campus before?
“This is so awful! I mean I never had any experience whatsoever with it, but it’s bad!”
“This is so awful! I mean I never had any experience whatsoever with it, but it’s bad!”
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:01 am to lsupride87
quote:I would call it a basic human right in this country.
Not what anyone would call a "basic" human right colloquially, no
Look at Donald De La Haye, who was kicked off of UCF for having a youtube page that made a profit. His page had absolutely nothing to do with the university. Yet, the NCAA and UCF found a way to drop the kid because he was making a small profit.
I can't wait for the NCAA to find a way to freak out over twitch.tv and games like fortnite. Where players have a few thousand ppl following them.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:02 am to lsupride87
quote:
Not what anyone would call a "basic" human right colloquially, no
John Locke would probably disagree. As well as most libertarian thinkers.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:04 am to The Pirate King
quote:What kind of logic is this?
How can he be a champion of this if he has never stepped foot on a college campus before?
Sorry, I can't support Breast Cancer Awareness or ALS or any of that because i've never had those diseases.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:05 am to CorporateTiger
quote:If the NCAA forced them to join their organization, or followed them after leaving their organization I would agree
John Locke would probably disagree. As well as most libertarian thinkers.
But they arent. They arent denying them basic human rights. They just arent
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:05 am to shel311
quote:Yes, they have everything they want regarding school... Now you want to argue they want more, I agree, everyone wants more. I wanted to earn more than the 6 bucks an hour Abercrombie paid me during that time as well.
So do they have everything they want or not?
Student-athletes will get no sympathy from me, they have more than most students and have it better off than many as well.
I would have loved the school to take care of my parents while I went to school, would have been lovely and pay me and give me meals for free and books and tuition and clothing and housing
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:06 am to lsupride87
What I can't wait for is they start paying people, then football players get paid the most so other groups complain, so then they start paying equally and they have to shut sports down in order to fund everything and everyone. Ah
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:06 am to lsupride87
quote:They try to follow them after leaving school (Ex.Laremy Tunsil)
followed them after leaving their organization I would agree
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:07 am to lsupride87
The NCAA has done quite a bit to limit the other options for players to make money. I think it is funny to argue that especially for football players (the cash cows for Universities) there are other real options to continue their career.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:09 am to tduecen
quote:It's not that they want more, it's that they want to be paid differently, or more to the point, like everyone else.
Yes, they have everything they want regarding school... Now you want to argue they want more, I agree, everyone wants more. I wanted to earn more than the 6 bucks an hour Abercrombie paid me during that time as well.
Would you be cool with paying coaches in tuitiion, room and board, and meal vouchers and everything else you listed?
quote:ok yea, every athlete's parent is taken care of, that's where we've stooped to?
I would have loved the school to take care of my parents while I went to school
quote:Except you don't get paid, and if you do in some cases, the FBI gets involved...who wouldn't love that!!!
would have been lovely and pay me
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:10 am to tduecen
quote:Or we just do away with the NCAA and stop living in this fantasy world where we call them "student-athletes". College sports (Specifically CFB & CBB) would be much better if we treated this like an open market and stop using rules that go back to the 1950's.
What I can't wait for is they start paying people, then football players get paid the most so other groups complain, so then they start paying equally and they have to shut sports down in order to fund everything and everyone. Ah
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:10 am to CorporateTiger
quote:What's funny is those arguing everything is just fine do not realize we're operating under rules that were made something like 90 years ago.
The NCAA has done quite a bit to limit the other options for players to make money. I think it is funny to argue that especially for football players (the cash cows for Universities) there are other real options to continue their career.
And now the landscape of college athletics could not possibly be more different than they were then, but some think the rules should be the same.
There is no logic to that, none.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:10 am to CorporateTiger
Look, I agree with yall they should be able to make money off of their likeness
But being a student athlete at LSU, and then hearing yall say they are denied "basic human rights", is something I will never agree with and it is utterly ridiculous to describe it as such
They are given a free education, free food, free housing, free clothes, free healthcare
THey simply arent allowed to make money off of their name/brand if they chose, repeat, if they chose to accept the scholarship
To call that "being denied your basic human rights" is so out of left field is crazy to me
But being a student athlete at LSU, and then hearing yall say they are denied "basic human rights", is something I will never agree with and it is utterly ridiculous to describe it as such
They are given a free education, free food, free housing, free clothes, free healthcare
THey simply arent allowed to make money off of their name/brand if they chose, repeat, if they chose to accept the scholarship
To call that "being denied your basic human rights" is so out of left field is crazy to me
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:12 am to shel311
quote:I agree
What's funny is those arguing everything is just fine do not realize we're operating under rules that were made something like 90 years ago.
And now the landscape of college athletics could not possibly be more different than they were then, but some think the rules should be the same.
There is no logic to that, none.
However, I also think the dramatic potrayal of "like slavery", "denying basic human rights", hurts the side arguing for a change
People hear that and they shut down and dont hear the argument because it starts from such a place of ridiculousness
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:14 am to shel311
quote:Coaches get paid too much as is, so sure, I don't fricking care
Would you be cool with paying coaches in tuitiion, room and board, and meal vouchers and everything else you listed?
quote:I think we both know if the University starts paying for one parent, everyone else is going to jump on that train and then you will have many who are wanting the same. You do one hand out, you do many.
every athlete's parent is taken care of, that's where we've stooped to?
quote:Correct I got paid while there but I did not get half the free stuff they did, so therefore it worked out. I would have gladly traded working at the fricking mall to have free housing, books, tuition, meals, a stipend, etc. I would have taken every fricking walking class, jogging class, women lit class available.
Except you don't get paid, and if you do in some cases, the FBI gets involved...who wouldn't love that!!!
Then I will take the exposure playing for a university gave me and go and make my money, money that will set me up for life.
If they pay them, then they should make them pay like any other college student. Seems fair
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:16 am to JBeam
Disband all college sports, I would be ok with that. It would lower tuition for all students and give universities a focus again.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:18 am to tduecen
quote:Not sure what you're talking about with universities paying parents.
I think we both know if the University starts paying for one parent, everyone else is going to jump on that train and then you will have many who are wanting the same. You do one hand out, you do many.
quote:What if you were an all time star and made your university millions but you're not good enough to go pro, how are you setting yourself up for life, exactly?
Then I will take the exposure playing for a university gave me and go and make my money, money that will set me up for life.
quote:It isn't even that they should pay them, it is that they should be allowed to make money on their likeness however they see fit because the days of amateur athletics went out the window years and years ago.
If they pay them, then they should make them pay like any other college student. Seems fair
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 9:19 am
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:21 am to shel311
quote:I honestly feel like if "our side" stuck just to this argument, it would gain steam and come to fruition
It isn't even that they should pay them, it is that they should be allowed to make money on their likeness however they see fit because the days of amateur athletics went out the window years and years ago.
But I think our logic gets lost on deaf ears because it gets drowned out by the "modern day slavery" and "denied basic rights" headlines
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