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re: The timeline doesnt lie. Trump investigation was started AFTER he won the nomination
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:18 pm to GRTiger
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:18 pm to GRTiger
quote:
. He knows "muh Russia" is BS,
we know today bc of the release of testimony the trump campaign, on at least one occasion, attempted to work with russia to get dirt on hrc. they were upset when meeting with russia that they didn't have substance.
you can yell witch hunt! all you want but its not BS bc we know the trump campaign was willing to work with russia. we just don't know if it was successful or not.
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Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:22 pm to buckeye_vol
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It seems to me, if anything, this implies that they had to make sure it prevented from getting in office (the risk). BUT THEY DIDN'T DO THAT.
They were working with the media to push the collusion narrative. Lisa Page herself in one text message said "I am on the phone with Devlin" (referring to Devlin Barrett, a reporter who was with WSJ then, WaPo now). Devlin posted a story online not long after the date of this text.
At numerous points in the text exchanges, Strzok and Page talk about how their leaking is dominating headlines. At one point she tells him to "turn on CNN" because one of their leaks was dominating the cable news cycle. And they give themselves pats on the back for this.
So, yeah, they were making it public, just not "officially."
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:26 pm to Dr_Tim_Whatley
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we know today bc of the release of testimony the trump campaign, on at least one occasion, attempted to work with russia to get dirt on hrc. they were upset when meeting with russia that they didn't have substance.
And we also know that meeting was a setup by Fusion GPS. The Russian lawyer (Veselnitskaya) was on the fricking payroll of Fusion (and had been for some time before the election). She worked with Fusion to overturn the Magnitsky Act in American courts (which is something Putin himself wanted).
Glenn Simpson testified under oath that he met with her the day before and the day after her Trump meeting. However, he claims that he had no idea she met with Trump and that they didn't talk about Trump at either meeting (lol).
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:27 pm to GRTiger
quote:No. He clearly states the risk is Trump winning, and just like insurance is a cover financial risks with a hedge against financial loss, they were hedging against a Trump win.
And in regards to that text, TIL people in this thread think life insurance prevents death.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:32 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
they were hedging against a Trump win.
Uh, right...?
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:37 pm to AUstar
quote:So they concocted a plan they relied a some Russian playboy billionaires to convince a Trump friend to convince a Trump son to have a meeting with the lawyer, but they didn't bother to actually record or get any hard evidence to set him up, and then they decided to release it a year later instead after Trump won, and they had the lawyer tell a story that doesn't harm Trump?
And we also know that meeting was a setup by Fusion GPS.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:40 pm to GRTiger
quote:Yes. Preventing financial loss = preventing a Hillary loss.
Uh, right...?
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:41 pm to AUstar
quote:
we also know that meeting was a setup by Fusion GPS.
we know fusion GPS set up the meeting between trump team and russia?
i sincerely must have missed this. please tell me more
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:44 pm to buckeye_vol
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Sure. Bit recall Trump took a NYT's article about the government monitoring Page, Manafort, and someone else (can't remember) a month after it was published and concluded he was being wiretapped himself by Obama.
I remember well. What happened is Mark Levin put together a bunch of MSM news articles which all mentioned wiretaps and electronic surveillance. Some of them said the FBI, Treasury and other agencies were investigating Alfa bank for connections to Trump Tower (remember that?). Some of them mentioned FISA warrants as well.
(Interestingly, Louise Mensch was the first to break the FISA warrant story - the same crazy conspiracy theorist Mensch who said Orin Hatch was going to take over the presidency after the "Supreme Court" put him in power. Mensch was right on the FISA stuff, though. No one to this day knows who her source was - she was ahead of all of the MSM on it. She is a former member of British parliament, so I suspect she knows people at MI6).
After Levin laid out his case, Breitbart wrote a piece on it. The day after Breitbart wrote the piece, Trump tweeted. The left went nuts saying Trump is believing Breitbart and "crazy conspiracy theorist" Levin. (Even though Levin used to be a lawyer at DoJ - he is anything but a crazy conspiracy theorist).
But Levin was right to be concerned. The articles he cited all mentioned Trump's team being under surveillance. One of the articles said the wiretapped information was "sent to the White House" (Obama's White House), yet we have Obama claiming during the election that he lets the FBI do it's job without any interference from the WH (lie).
Levin never claimed to have the whole story. He just said "Look, we have numerous MSM outlets reporting on wiretaps, we need to get to the bottom of why Obama was wiretapping an opposition candidate."
What's funny, is the NYT tried to backtrack and claim there were no wiretaps when their own article used the word "wiretap." It was rather Twilight Zoneish to see them try and deny their own reporting that anyone could read posted on their website. And they had the audacity to call people "conspiracy theorists" who took their own reporting at face value. It was very weird.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:45 pm to Dr_Tim_Whatley
quote:Didn't you hear? Fushion can trick people into voluntary actions to their own detriment, but they aren't capable of actually using that when it's most useful, like before an election they are trying to win.
we know fusion GPS set up the meeting between trump team and russia?
i sincerely must have missed this. please tell me more
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:48 pm to buckeye_vol
Well that's an incredibly poor effort to either Understand the analogy or to spin it.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:49 pm to Dr_Tim_Whatley
quote:
we know fusion GPS set up the meeting between trump team and russia?
Read Glenn Simpson's testimony. He admits under oath that he met with Veselnitskaya the day before and the day after she went to meet Don, Jr. He is on record in Congressional testimony. (Glenn Simpson is the owner of Fusion GPS and he worked closely with Chris Steele to create the dossier).
You have to ask yourself why is a Fusion GPS employee (Veselnitskaya) reaching out (completely unsolicited) to Don, Jr. claiming to have "Russian dirt?" And you must ask yourself who leaked the meeting to the press and what was their intention for doing so?
Answer: it was an entrapment operation. Plain and simple. Only a complete fool can't see it.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:50 pm to GRTiger
quote:He says they can't risk Trump winning, so it's clear Trump winning is what they're trying to prevent with this policy. If may be an imperfect comparison in a lover's text but can't risk Trump winning can't be explained any other way.
Well that's an incredibly poor effort to either Understand the analogy or to spin it.
It's like in the Little Giants, Spike was the snsurance policy to enure the Cowboys wouldn't lose. They just didn't plan for the Annexation of Puerto Rico.
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:53 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
Didn't you hear? Fushion can trick people into voluntary actions to their own detriment, but they aren't capable of actually using that when it's most useful, like before an election they are trying to win.
So you don't find it the slightest bit odd that the "Russian" who met with Junior was on the payroll of Fusion GPS? The same Fusion GPS that was being paid by Hillary to accuse Trump of being a Russian agent.
Nothing at all there strange to you?
Posted on 5/16/18 at 4:55 pm to blackjackjackson
quote:
cohen will be living in russian within two weeks or dead!
So, he had Hillary as a client too?
Posted on 5/16/18 at 5:00 pm to buckeye_vol
You have to assume he totally botched the analogy to think that's what he meant.
TIL people in this thread think an insurance policy prevents what it's used to insure against.
quote:
Trump winning is what they're trying to prevent with this policy
TIL people in this thread think an insurance policy prevents what it's used to insure against.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 5:02 pm to AUstar
Io
This is as good a rational discussion as I have read in quite some time on the poliboard. Don’t know if I agree with all of it - yet - but damned if it is not thought provoking.
quote:
think the FBI was duped in all of this. They were Brennan, Clapper and Hillary's useful idiots. .........
This is as good a rational discussion as I have read in quite some time on the poliboard. Don’t know if I agree with all of it - yet - but damned if it is not thought provoking.
This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 5/16/18 at 5:07 pm to AUstar
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it was an entrapment operation. Plain and simple. Only a complete fool can't see it.
Only those who refuse to see can be that blind - or mendacious.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 5:45 pm to AUstar
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He admits under oath that he met with Veselnitskaya the day before and the day after she went to meet Don, Jr. He is on record in Congressional testimony. (Glenn Simpson is the owner of Fusion GPS and he worked closely with Chris Steele to create the dossier).
you're pitching an entrapment theory, you're not presenting direct evidence Fusion set up the meeting.
Clear evidence says Goldstone set up the meeting.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 6:10 pm to RobbBobb
Did Trump know Carter Page was relaying information to Russian intelligence while on the campaign?
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