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re: Newly released 9/11 footage of Pentagon: Airliner or missile?
Posted on 4/27/18 at 3:07 pm to IceTiger
Posted on 4/27/18 at 3:07 pm to IceTiger
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buildings dropping
That's my favorite conspiracy theory, that the World Trade Center was a controlled demolition. Metal weakens when heated, the structural steel eventually buckled, and you had dozens of floors crashing down on the ones below, causing a chain reaction. Honestly, I think Russian trolls have been around much longer than now. The fact so many people actually believe this shite is asinine.
If someone wants to say someone within defense contractors assisted? Sure, I could see the motive. Maybe one or two government officials were paid off to allow people to pass through the cracks, I could see that also. But what is portrayed is some government wide conspiracy to start a war at the sake of the citizens of the U.S.. It's baffling.
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Posted on 4/27/18 at 3:14 pm to IceTiger
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Idk about them, but the ones over PA held cell phone calls for 18-22 minutes ... On an airplane... In 2001... Over rural mountainous PA...No cell towers Then the aircraft fell like it was shot down...
They were not on cell phones, they were calling out on "AirPhone" the seat back phones that were common then. You used a credit card to make a call at 2 or 3 bucks a minute, they used a air to ground radio system designed for the purpose, not cell phone systems. Only a few of the phones could be used at once because of system limitations, one of the women that called her husband , that she had to go, there were many people waiting to use the phones.
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Posted on 4/27/18 at 3:16 pm to kingbob
There is nothing new about that video... I saw this a few days after the incident. A for the people thinking it's not a passenger jet.... the Pentagon is a rather large building... also tell the family's of people gone it's not that jet. Also I'm pretty sure they have the black box with flight data, recovered from the site...
Posted on 4/27/18 at 3:18 pm to EA6B
Many reports reference cell phone calls. Not air plane phone calls only
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 4/27/18 at 3:18 pm to IceTiger
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But the fireball explosion is pretty interesting, like a movie production!
Movie pyrotech specialist often use jet fuel in conjunction with explosive charges to achieve the giant fireballs seen in movies. So actually the movie productions are trying to mimic plane explosions.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 3:25 pm to gobuxgo5
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Many reports reference cell phone calls. Not air plane phone calls only
Probably misunderstanding, unlike today people with cell phones were a minority, it is possible they would have worked from the plane depending on several factors, but just as likely they would not have worked.
" Cell phones work as you drive along by "handing off" your conversation from one cell site to the next. When you're in flight, assuming you even can reach the cellular network in the first place, there's the possibility that multiple sites might hear your signal at the same time, which has been known to create some connectivity issues if the site-to-site switching gets confused. It also can create problems if somebody tries to call you and more than one cell site is hearing your phone's "her I am" signal at the same time.
3. If you're at typical airliner altitudes, even if you're flying directly over a cell site, you're probably at least six miles away from it (straight up) and the site's antennas aren't optimized for signals to reach them from that direction. Modern cell phones don't put out very strong signals in the first place, so between the wasted signal referred to in the linked article and the energy needed just to push the signal through the skin of the aircraft, the network might not hear your phone at all."
Posted on 4/27/18 at 3:32 pm to EA6B
Even though I think a lot of things stink about the official story, that is the one thing I can't get over with the conspiracy theories. If you think it's a conspiracy, then you are probably arguing those calls were faked. Well, if so, were the people on the ground lying or were they duped by actors? I mean, even my crazy arse won't go that far. The only thing I might be able to come up with is the hijackers were duped into thinking they were running drills (and the passengers legitimately thought they were being hijacked), but were double crossed by remote control. 
Posted on 4/27/18 at 3:45 pm to Morgan56
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There is nothing new about that video...
This is correct.
If the title of the article (Previously Unreleased Footage....) and the first paragraph of the article (footage has been circulating online again...) are so blatantly contradictory, maybe consider what you’re reading might be intentionally misleading bullshite.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 3:50 pm to kingbob
When you slow it down...we can all see it
#DeepState
#DeepState
Posted on 4/27/18 at 3:51 pm to kingbob
That "plan" was flying parallel to ground. A plan does not fly like that so close to the ground. The nose would either be up or down.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 3:53 pm to UnclassyStudent
I remember this one...bottom line that guy had to fly a plane at 500 MPH 25 feet off of the ground to hit the pentagon at that angle, nearly impossible, also the mess left behind was not that of a typical plane crash.
There is footage from a gas station...the last one before the pentagon that the feds seized within minutes of the event said the owner. Don't think it has seen the light of day.
Look at pics of a plane crash then look at the pentagon after, no where near the same carnage.
There is footage from a gas station...the last one before the pentagon that the feds seized within minutes of the event said the owner. Don't think it has seen the light of day.
Look at pics of a plane crash then look at the pentagon after, no where near the same carnage.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 3:55 pm to AUsteriskPride
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I am sure you looked at the captures above I posted, height differential alone indicates a commercial plane. The main point I think you're missing though is the frame rate. At most we're talking 8 per second at the time, but realistically they were probably around 3 considering the location of the camera. A plane traveling at 550 mph is covering 807 feet per second. There is roughly 75 yards in that camera angle. So the plane was traveling at roughly 270 yards per second, making the capture perfectly understandable.
I feel like you're holding on to some prior theory you had and are unable to recognize the conspiracy theory at this point is easily reasoned away.
Dude I think a plane hit the Pentagon so I am not holding on to any theory, I am only asking why they haven't released better video.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 3:56 pm to TexasTiger80
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A plan does not fly like that so close to the ground. The nose would either be up or down.
Explain why it couldn't have leveled itself at some point before impact. It wasn't a plane coming in for a landing.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 4:02 pm to Champagne
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Why do people believe that the "Illuminati" or whomever, need to resort to this sort of thing to run the world?
Because enough Americans still have guns and like freedom. They tried to pass a patriot act after OKC but couldn't get enough rights taken away. They needed a bigger event for Americans to willingly give up even more freedoms.
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Isn't the Internationalist Left advancing the Globalist Socialist Agenda well enough?
They are doing a fine job, but pesky Americans keep refusing to be disarmed. Which is why we will see more mass shootings and a media-driven narrative to take away the 2nd.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 4:07 pm to rented mule
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Let's not forget the, literally, thousands of people in cars on the road during morning traffic that saw the plane fly right above them straight into the building.
There were a lot of eyewitnesses that said they saw a missile hit the twin towers. Even a few reporters said it was a missile.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 4:28 pm to kingbob
I've never bought into the more ridiculous conspiracy theories such as --there were no planes, it was holograms, and the stuff about steel melting etc.
However, the co-chairs of the 9/11 commission report have stated that they were stonewalled and lied to, "facts" were withheld, "facts" were changed (such as the time the plane actually hit the pentagon) The recently revealed redacted parts pretty much prove that Saudi Arabian officials supported and trained the hijackers. The Bush family buddy Prince Bandar's wife funneled money to the hijackers.
It is my belief that Bush Sr. and Cheney were behind it. Bush got Bandar to use Saudi money just like he did when he was running Iran-Contra and Congress stopped giving the CIA money for those ops. He turned to Bandar then too.
Bush and Cheney conveniently got George Jr. off to Florida to read to children so that Cheney could take over at the White House.
The plane that hit the Pentagon could have made a direct hit on one side of the Pentagon, but it flew over it and past it and made a nearly 360 degree turn at 7,000 feet and came in just about ground level in a very risky move a novice couldn't do, in order to hit THAT spot---the offices where I've read that the records of the investigation into the missing trillions of dollars Rumsfeld had announced the day before were stored..How convenient.
However, the co-chairs of the 9/11 commission report have stated that they were stonewalled and lied to, "facts" were withheld, "facts" were changed (such as the time the plane actually hit the pentagon) The recently revealed redacted parts pretty much prove that Saudi Arabian officials supported and trained the hijackers. The Bush family buddy Prince Bandar's wife funneled money to the hijackers.
It is my belief that Bush Sr. and Cheney were behind it. Bush got Bandar to use Saudi money just like he did when he was running Iran-Contra and Congress stopped giving the CIA money for those ops. He turned to Bandar then too.
Bush and Cheney conveniently got George Jr. off to Florida to read to children so that Cheney could take over at the White House.
The plane that hit the Pentagon could have made a direct hit on one side of the Pentagon, but it flew over it and past it and made a nearly 360 degree turn at 7,000 feet and came in just about ground level in a very risky move a novice couldn't do, in order to hit THAT spot---the offices where I've read that the records of the investigation into the missing trillions of dollars Rumsfeld had announced the day before were stored..How convenient.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 4:45 pm to skeeter531
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However, the co-chairs of the 9/11 commission report have stated that they were stonewalled and lied to, "facts" were withheld, "facts" were changed (such as the time the plane actually hit the pentagon) The recently revealed redacted parts pretty much prove that Saudi Arabian officials supported and trained the hijackers. The Bush family buddy Prince Bandar's wife funneled money to the hijackers.
It is my belief that Bush Sr. and Cheney were behind it. Bush got Bandar to use Saudi money just like he did when he was running Iran-Contra and Congress stopped giving the CIA money for those ops. He turned to Bandar then too.
Bush and Cheney conveniently got George Jr. off to Florida to read to children so that Cheney could take over at the White House.
Sure, I could see after the fact the Bush's/career politicians wanted to hide the Saudi connection, as it's pretty much a certainty that Saudi power brokers were definitely involved. But I don't hold the notion they knew about it before it happened. Was it wrong and downright despicable to redact? Most definitely. But it still doesn't affirm any type of conspiracy, just points to those in power saving face and probably being blackmailed to redact.
In 2001 could you imagine a war with Saudi Arabia? It would have caused economic turmoil.
America was consuming more oil than ever, production was sharply declining, the Saudis were balking at prices. Fracking greatly improved out national security outlook.
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 4/27/18 at 4:52 pm to lsu480
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Dude I think a plane hit the Pentagon so I am not holding on to any theory, I am only asking why they haven't released better video.
Because it was 2001, camera FPS was infantile, internet speeds were slow, computers held little storage, nobody expected planes to fly into the pentagon (were only concerned about individuals or vehicles breaching the perimeter). I mean come on, we're talking now after almost 17 years of technological advancement, and you still can't comprehend how the camera quality and quantity wasn't better?
Posted on 4/27/18 at 4:53 pm to lsu480
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Ya there is just no way I believe
This is really what it comes down to with you, right here.
Feelings. Beliefs.
Not facts.
Because we’ve laid out the facts for you, but despite all of them, you still believe there must have been a high fidelity telephoto lens trained on that spot recording at 30 fps and dammit, you demand to see that mythical unicorn video it recorded that you believe must exist (even though it doesn’t).
This was 2001. They had cameras on security chokepoints like entrance gates and doors, but they were less like video and more like still cameras taking 1 picture per second. They were low fidelity to begin with, and made worse by fisheye lenses. You can choose to believe that they had every square inch covered with 4K cameras recording at 60 fps with professional quality lenses manufactured by Leica, but it simply wasn’t the case, as reputable sources have shown.
The cameras at your office back then were probably similarly shitty, you just didn’t realize it. They didn’t have the kind of storage capacity we do now, so they couldn’t record at a high framerate or with large filesizes. You have to be aware of hindsight bias. Remember, they didn’t anticipate the need to tape an aircraft attack. They only saw the need to record comings and goings.
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 4/27/18 at 4:59 pm to highpockets
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Look at pics of a plane crash then look at the pentagon after, no where near the same carnage.
How many times have you seen the results of a commercial plane hitting the Pentagon?
Some of you need professional help.
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