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re: What would you do if you were in charge (Fan violence)
Posted on 4/26/18 at 6:26 pm to Keys Open Doors
Posted on 4/26/18 at 6:26 pm to Keys Open Doors
It's such a difficult decision aside from finding the actual Ultras that cause problems because:
1) Ultras that cause the biggest problems do not care if matches are forfeited, points deducted, matches played in empty stadiums. It's the opposite, it emboldens them and they wear it like a badge of having shown their power.
2) It is almost always a two way street. Ultras do shite against clubs that also have equal ultras groups. While everyone sits at home horrified by video of a final violent act, what they don't see--or efface-- are the literally hundreds of instances of Ultras of both teams egging each other in skirmishes, throwing shite etc the whole afternoon. The other Ultras love to provoke an attack/ instance that cause the other team to get punished.
3) The vast majority of clubs in Europe do not own their stadiums, the cities do. Therefore, the little control they have over policing/security is merely through lobbying local politicians/police commissioners.
Sure, the more they lose money by fines, empty stands, they harder they will lobby but it's also a bit unfair to say a club that doesn't own their stadium is on equal footing with ones that do in terms of security.
The security shortcomings are much more often due to cities and local police commissioners cutting corners and not due to the clubs being disinterested.
1) Ultras that cause the biggest problems do not care if matches are forfeited, points deducted, matches played in empty stadiums. It's the opposite, it emboldens them and they wear it like a badge of having shown their power.
2) It is almost always a two way street. Ultras do shite against clubs that also have equal ultras groups. While everyone sits at home horrified by video of a final violent act, what they don't see--or efface-- are the literally hundreds of instances of Ultras of both teams egging each other in skirmishes, throwing shite etc the whole afternoon. The other Ultras love to provoke an attack/ instance that cause the other team to get punished.
3) The vast majority of clubs in Europe do not own their stadiums, the cities do. Therefore, the little control they have over policing/security is merely through lobbying local politicians/police commissioners.
Sure, the more they lose money by fines, empty stands, they harder they will lobby but it's also a bit unfair to say a club that doesn't own their stadium is on equal footing with ones that do in terms of security.
The security shortcomings are much more often due to cities and local police commissioners cutting corners and not due to the clubs being disinterested.
This post was edited on 4/26/18 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 4/26/18 at 6:30 pm to wm72
quote:the rest of the fans need to keep them in line... Police your own
1) Ultras that cause the biggest problems do not care if matches are forfeited, points deducted, matches played in empty stadiums. It's the opposite, it emboldens them and they wear it like a badge of having shown their power.
I'd go with option 2. IMO they accept too much from fans in terms of behavior
This post was edited on 4/26/18 at 6:34 pm
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