re: We need to get rid of individual freedom

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as long as they leave people who want freedom alone

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Exactly.....every citizen should have a Constitution card and are free to turn over to the Government any of their rights as they deem fit......but like Josh said, leave the rest of us the frick alone.

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I've been calling for a balkinization of the United States for quite some time. I'm happy to let people be as not-free as they like, as long as they leave people who want freedom alone.

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Wouldn't it be easier to just go to war with the people who don't believe in America's founding principles, documents, and philosophy? I mean, do you really want the People's Republic of California, aligned with China, Iran, North Korea, and every other tin pot socialist dictator on earth, taking up space and sharing borders in North America?

Think about the states that will adopt Marxism/socialism. California, Washington, Oregon, Colorado?, New Mexico, Minnesota, Illinois, Virginia, Massachusetts, Maryland, New York, hell most of the northeast.

When it gets bad, let's just give them the option of moving to one of those fantastic socialist countries and never coming back, or fighting for what they believe in.