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How much weight do you put into BMR and TDEE?

Posted on 3/28/18 at 8:08 am
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 8:08 am
And how accurate are they. I'm 5'7", 160 lbs. Just started working out and running again a month ago. When I started, I was 165 lbs (with a pretty good gut and relatively poor physical fitness level compared to my college days when I was down around 140-145). I'm also trying to eat healthier and with more moderation than in the past (not eating as much junk, or eating way too much). Trying to get back down into the 155 range.

I know a lot of these fitness apps like MyFitnessPal base their calculations on BMR and TDEE. How much weight do you put into that? MFP has me around 2100 calories a day. Sometimes that's fine...other days, I almost have this constant (slight) hunger. I feel like it may be more or less related to the amount of carbs I eat at breakfast, because the days I seem to feel my best are when I get a good bit of my daily carbs at breakfast.
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 8:36 am to
The numbers you get from MFP and other calculators are rough averages based upon your height, weight, age, etc. Your own TDEE can be significantly lower or higher than those numbers, but they are a good starting point for people... but people need to learn to adjust their cals based upon how their body responds to the cals they're eating. Personally, my own maintenance TDEE is roughly 500 or 600 cals less than what calculators give me.. but I have thyroid issues that I'm still addressing.
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:11 am to
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I'm also trying to eat healthier and with more moderation than in the past (not eating as much junk, or eating way too much).


you will have to be consistant with the diet. (trying) to eat healthy, and not eat (as much) junk wont do it. You have to be consistant, weigh yoyr foos, throw out all the junk, and get right.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12960 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:22 am to
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you will have to be consistant with the diet. (trying) to eat healthy, and not eat (as much) junk wont do it. You have to be consistant, weigh yoyr foos, throw out all the junk, and get right.


Poor wording on my part. I've actually realized very quickly that the scale I have now is a piece of crap and will be upgrading shortly. It does the job, but you have to fidget with it way too much to get it to work right.

My wife is killing me though, and really putting me to the test. She bought a bunch of easter candy last week and put it on the damn table in front of me. It's taken everything in me not to eat that crap.
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:38 am to
lol i understand. Unless you are in it for a competetion its hard. And i have been in same boat as you.. i am 35, 5'6 and was 165 in jan. Im down to 155 now, but i stalled at 160 for like 6 weeks. Was tracking my calories (1500 a day), working out weights only 5 days a week. Had chest and arm definition, but holding onto belly fat. Was doin IF and under 25g of carbs daily. Ended up moving calories up to 1700 by adding a sweet potato after my workout,and adding 20mins of morning cardio before work 3 days a week and startes losing the last 5lbs i wanted to drop. Still a little more belly fat than i want, but not near as bad. So i will keep working and hope it tightens up even more. Its all a process, and learning your body and what worka for you.
Posted by When in Rome
Telegraph Road
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:46 am to
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Sometimes that's fine...other days, I almost have this constant (slight) hunger.
Do you change up what you eat every day? The way I think about it is that your body craves nutrients, so even if you feed it, if you don't give your body the nutrients it craves, it will still be hungry for the nutrients (this may or may not be backed up by science, but it helps me make better choices). Usually when I eat more nutritious foods (meats, some veggies, a little bit of fruit, a little bit of whole grains), I am way less hungry. I am a snacker/grazer, so this mindset has helped me a lot. In the unhealthy days, I would snack throughout the day but would never quite feel satisfied.

Also your water consumption could affect this. I'm always more hungry when I drink less water, and vice versa.

I just got back into the health kick as well. Good luck!

PS: I've been eating two eggs in the AM with a carb like a cup of oatmeal with fruit, then work out midday, then eat protein right after the workout. It seems to work for me.
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 10:48 am
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12960 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:16 am to
Holy shite, 1500 a day?! I'd die...lol. If I'm not getting at least 1800-1900, I feel weak, and when I was figuring out MFP at first, I think I was eating too little, because I dropped about 2 lbs in 4 days.

I have a high metabolism too, and even though I have a desk job, I move around quite a bit and stay active in the morning and afternoon before and after work. So even with 2000 calories, I'm still dropping about a pound, pound and a half a week right now.

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Ended up moving calories up to 1700 by adding a sweet potato after my workout

Sweet potatoes have become my new best friend. Already loved them, but never ate them very often. I downloaded the Fit Men Cook app, and he has some pretty good recipes on there with sweet potatoes in a lot of them.

And I feel you on the belly fat issue. That's one of my motivations, and I know it will take some time.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12960 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:23 am to
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Do you change up what you eat every day?

Yep, but always pretty nutritious. Fruit smoothies, steel cut oats, whole grain or wheat bread, meats, veggies, fruit. But it's the days where I start with more protein at breakfast and less carbs that seem to kick my arse. It's like I'm always at a deficit on those days, even if I'm getting the calories I need. I've figured out, like you, that I need something like oatmeal in the mornings. I just need that thing that will "stick" and hold me up longer.

I've gone back to the way I was in high school and college, basically eating "all the time" as my friends would say. Really, I eat 3 good meals, but typically have a snack in the morning and in the afternoon (sometimes two if I do my workout or run in the evening). Usually that is some mixed nuts, fruit, yogurt, a smoothie, etc.

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Also your water consumption could affect this. I'm always more hungry when I drink less water, and vice versa.

This I'm pretty good about. I normally have 17 ounces down before I leave for work at 6, then have at least another one down by lunch. Drink one with lunch, then another in the afternoon. Then typically one more with dinner. On workout days, or when I'm working outside, I drink another 1 or two.

So on a typical day, I'm getting around 85 oz; more on a really active, day outside.
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
32600 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:25 am to
Thats the thing, i wasnt any more hungry eating 1500cals.. (also wasnt doing cardio then though) And sit in an office all day. Once i added cardio yea i was getting hungry and added the sweet taters. I was taking in 230-250g of protein daily so at 1500 i felt full. But i have made some changes due to some suggestions on here and making progreas.
Posted by _spinnerbait_
Member since Feb 2018
19 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:25 am to
I’m the same size as you and am currently at around 1500 calories too. I don’t do much cardio though. Right now I’m eating about a pound of lean meat, a head of broccoli, a couple potatoes/brown rice and two scoops of protein powder a day. I’m rarely hungry besides before my first meal.

ETA: if you’re losing 1-1.5 lbs a week you are doing good.
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 11:28 am
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37116 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:28 am to
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Yep, but always pretty nutritious. Fruit smoothies, steel cut oats, whole grain or wheat bread, meats, veggies, fruit. But it's the days where I start with more protein at breakfast and less carbs that seem to kick my arse. It's like I'm always at a deficit on those days, even if I'm getting the calories I need. I've figured out, like you, that I need something like oatmeal in the mornings. I just need that thing that will "stick" and hold me up longer.

I've gone back to the way I was in high school and college, basically eating "all the time" as my friends would say. Really, I eat 3 good meals, but typically have a snack in the morning and in the afternoon (sometimes two if I do my workout or run in the evening). Usually that is some mixed nuts, fruit, yogurt, a smoothie, etc.


You're not eating as healthy as you think. If you're eating store bought oatmeal, yogurt, things of that nature you're probably eating a lot of sugar and preservatives.
Posted by _spinnerbait_
Member since Feb 2018
19 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:30 am to
You want him to make his own oatmeal/yogurt?
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12960 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:31 am to
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if you’re losing 1-1.5 lbs a week you are doing good.

I'm sure that will slow down eventually, but I've been happy with it.

I think a lot of it has to do with reducing how much I was eating. Plus, once I start putting on some muscle mass, I'm certain that will reduce the amount I'm losing each week as well.

Once I hit the mid to lower 150s, I'll probably up my intake some as well to slow it down, but only enough to where I'm more or less burning off the extra but no more.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12960 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:52 am to
quote:

You're not eating as healthy as you think. If you're eating store bought oatmeal, yogurt, things of that nature you're probably eating a lot of sugar and preservatives.

Not aure how healthy you think I think I'm eating, but when my old routine involved eating fast food at least twice a week, a lot of fried food and candy/sweets (with way more sugar than I get now), and a lot more processes grains and a lot less vegetables and fruit than I eat now, yeah, I'm eating a lot healthier than I was.

Yeah, I'm still higher on sugar than I want to be, but this is all in baby steps for me. At least I'm not getting the 28-30 g from the Butterfinger Cups or M&M's I used to eat all the time. Yesterday, according to my "MFP diary" I had 137 g of sugar. Over my "goal" of 107, and probably even that is high, but that included 22g from Vanilla Almond Milk, 21g from Orange Gatorade, 13g from Quaker 10 Oatmeal, 9g from a couple of squares of Lindt dark chocolate, and 5g from some Danon Greek Yogurt and some Pumpkin Puree (mixed with oatmeal). Everything else came from fruits and vegetables mostly.

If I cut down on some of those store bought items, it would definitely come down a lot. But that will happen in due time.
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 11:54 am
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37116 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:59 am to
quote:

Not aure how healthy you think I think I'm eating, but when my old routine involved eating fast food at least twice a week, a lot of fried food and candy/sweets (with way more sugar than I get now), and a lot more processes grains and a lot less vegetables and fruit than I eat now, yeah, I'm eating a lot healthier than I was.


I'm not knocking you, just letting you know. When I really started focusing on diet I was surprised at the sugar in a lot of the "healthy" snacks prepackaged from grocery stores.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12960 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 1:19 pm to
quote:

I'm not knocking you, just letting you know. When I really started focusing on diet I was surprised at the sugar in a lot of the "healthy" snacks prepackaged from grocery stores.


No doubt. It is very surprising. Hell, even the amount of sugar in some fruits is surprising.

I think I read that it is recommended that you only get about 25g of sugar daily. 100g of fresh pineapple has 10g of sugar by itself. That's twice as much as a cup of danon greek yogurt.
Posted by When in Rome
Telegraph Road
Member since Jan 2011
36163 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 3:51 pm to
I think it's good to be knowledgeable about fruit sugars. Berries are some of the best bang for your buck in terms of amount of carbs for fruit if you want a snack.

Posted by TigerGrl73
Nola
Member since Jan 2004
21426 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 4:20 pm to
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25g of sugar daily. 100g of fresh pineapple has 10g of sugar by itself.

That's 25g of added sugar, not naturally occurring sugars.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 4:32 pm to
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Yesterday, according to my "MFP diary" I had 137 g of sugar.
Damn.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 4:32 pm to
quote:

That's 25g of added sugar, not naturally occurring sugars.
Doesn't matter.
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