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It’s an Omnibus bill, not a Budget.
Posted on 3/24/18 at 12:08 am
Posted on 3/24/18 at 12:08 am
A friend shared this post (written by Chad Michael) with me, it does explain a lot:
***BEFORE YOU JUMP SHIP ENLIGHTEN YOURSELVES***
It’s not an official ‘Federal Budget’.
It’s an Omnibus bill, not a Budget.
He outsmarted them ONCE again!
Congress basically screwed themselves by not passing a Budget.
Per the Constitution, the President must adhere to a Budget set forth by Congress and direct the expenditures as provided therein.
This is another one of those big Porkulus Bills, like they gave Obama for 8 years. This is not a Budget.
An Omnibus Spending Bill may have some ‘instructions’ as to how the money will be spent but Obama ignored them.
He spent the money, or didn’t spend it, however he wanted to.
And Congress didn’t do a thing about it! Because they couldn’t.
I think our President observed how this happened, year after year.
He is bound to realize that those ‘appropriations’ for different things in these Omnibus bills are merely ‘suggestions’.
So like Obama, Trump can spend this money on whatever he wants to.
Or, not spend it.
Planned Parenthood?
What if our President decided to tell the Treas Dept to ‘slow-walk’ that money to Planned Parenthood until the Senate gets off their arse and confirms his appointees?
Sanctuary Cities?
What if our President decided to ‘slow-walk’ that money too…until those Sanctuary Cities assist ICE in rounding up criminal illegal aliens?
But what could they do about it.
NOTHING!
Our President could just say…’What! Congress should’ve passed a Budget.’
Trump said, just give me money for the military and the wall put anything else you want in it…and those goofballs did.
In this case, as per above….he doesn’t have to spend a dime….because it is not a budget…and even if it was…researched….he could still spend as he please…
Congress appropriates….up to the President to spend it…or not….as he pleases.
Again, that is why Obama never had a Budget in his Presidency…Congress did continual Omibus’s and he just took the money….for 8 years…and no one seems to know where it went.
***BEFORE YOU JUMP SHIP ENLIGHTEN YOURSELVES***
It’s not an official ‘Federal Budget’.
It’s an Omnibus bill, not a Budget.
He outsmarted them ONCE again!
Congress basically screwed themselves by not passing a Budget.
Per the Constitution, the President must adhere to a Budget set forth by Congress and direct the expenditures as provided therein.
This is another one of those big Porkulus Bills, like they gave Obama for 8 years. This is not a Budget.
An Omnibus Spending Bill may have some ‘instructions’ as to how the money will be spent but Obama ignored them.
He spent the money, or didn’t spend it, however he wanted to.
And Congress didn’t do a thing about it! Because they couldn’t.
I think our President observed how this happened, year after year.
He is bound to realize that those ‘appropriations’ for different things in these Omnibus bills are merely ‘suggestions’.
So like Obama, Trump can spend this money on whatever he wants to.
Or, not spend it.
Planned Parenthood?
What if our President decided to tell the Treas Dept to ‘slow-walk’ that money to Planned Parenthood until the Senate gets off their arse and confirms his appointees?
Sanctuary Cities?
What if our President decided to ‘slow-walk’ that money too…until those Sanctuary Cities assist ICE in rounding up criminal illegal aliens?
But what could they do about it.
NOTHING!
Our President could just say…’What! Congress should’ve passed a Budget.’
Trump said, just give me money for the military and the wall put anything else you want in it…and those goofballs did.
In this case, as per above….he doesn’t have to spend a dime….because it is not a budget…and even if it was…researched….he could still spend as he please…
Congress appropriates….up to the President to spend it…or not….as he pleases.
Again, that is why Obama never had a Budget in his Presidency…Congress did continual Omibus’s and he just took the money….for 8 years…and no one seems to know where it went.
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Posted on 3/24/18 at 12:12 am to bocahogfan
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bocahogfan
Frick out of here troll
Posted on 3/24/18 at 12:23 am to dantes69
RAed for a damn sticky, this should be required reading.
They're not even covering it this way on conservative news networks, which goes to show how much you can trust anything the talking heads are saying. Most aren't educated beyond their journalism degrees and just happen to be good at talking ABOUT politics, not knowledgeable about the inner workings.
Regardless I've said it many times today, we need to wait and see what comes out of this before all of the melodrama. How many times have they perceived a 'gotcha' on the Trump admin/Repubs only to have it turn around and bite them in the arse? The bill is still being read for the first time by most, they're just out ahead of it circulating the negative talking points ad nauseum like they always do.
Posted on 3/24/18 at 12:28 am to bocahogfan
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bocahogfan
I'd accuse you of being a CruiserHog alter if not for the punctuation and correct usage of 'you're.'
Posted on 3/24/18 at 12:38 am to dantes69
quote:It's literally the exact opposed.
In this case, as per above….he doesn’t have to spend a dime….because it is not a budget…
Budget = Framework of government spending (mandatory and discretionary) and allocations. It's not legally binding.
Appropation Bills = Legislation that provides discretionary funding and allocations for the areas covered by 12 appropriation subcommittees. The legally enacted funding of the government, regardless if it's 12 separate bills, 1 Omnibus bill covering all 12, or a Continuing Resolution of previous bills.
You're forwarding a stupid chain email that's completely wrong and that's easily verifiable you just Google it and read one of the many pages about the budgetary process.
Posted on 3/24/18 at 12:42 am to RazorBroncs
quote:
The bill is still being read for the first time by most
So you're OK with Congress and the President of the United States signing into law that which they have not read?
Posted on 3/24/18 at 12:43 am to RazorBroncs
quote:Well they're probably educated enough--just capable of using Google or Wikipedia and reading about--to realize the chain email in the OP is flat out wrong.
They're not even covering it this way on conservative news networks, which goes to show how much you can trust anything the talking heads are saying. Most aren't educated beyond their journalism degrees and just happen to be good at talking ABOUT politics, not knowledgeable about the inner workings.
Since you believe it's right, then either your not educated enough outside of your own field AND you're not capable of taking a few seconds to Google it to verify it.
So you're not even meeting the low bar that they set.
Posted on 3/24/18 at 12:47 am to dantes69
Every last cent of this bill (our money) will be spent (robbed/purloined/squandered).
Posted on 3/24/18 at 12:50 am to starsandstripes
quote:I think he just means don't be critical until the public knows what's in it. Judging by his posts though, I suspect he thinks it's OK Trump didn't read it, and he's just waiting for people to find the spin so they can somehow argue he did the right thing and for some genius purpose.
So you're OK with Congress and the President of the United States signing into law that which they have not read?
I've agreed with a lot of your posts tonight, which is rare for us, so clearly something is obvious and necessary to make us critical.
Posted on 3/24/18 at 12:58 am to dantes69
quote:
It’s not an official ‘Federal Budget’.
It’s an Omnibus bill, not a Budget.
He outsmarted them ONCE again!
I hope you're right. I know so far he has had a track record of doing so. I guess we all will see.
Posted on 3/24/18 at 1:24 am to buckeye_vol
Trump got 700 billion for the military. All other spending is up for review in late September. Let’s take a look at the political climate then.
Enjoy the battle you won today. But in your hubris; you may want to actually start reading the bill before you show your arse.
Enjoy the battle you won today. But in your hubris; you may want to actually start reading the bill before you show your arse.
This post was edited on 3/24/18 at 1:25 am
Posted on 3/24/18 at 2:05 am to buckeye_vol
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I think he just means don't be critical until the public knows what's in it.
You'd be correct in THIS assumption.
quote:
Judging by his posts though, I suspect he thinks it's OK Trump didn't read it, and he's just waiting for people to find the spin so they can somehow argue he did the right thing and for some genius purpose.
Incorrect. I'm not saying it's cool if ANYONE in the decision making process didn't read it, just that some have already admitted as much. Hell, the House had to pass a special rule for this:
First, the House passed a rule enabling passage, which will waive the normal requirement that members of Congress must have three days to read bills before voting. This has already happened, very narrowly, by a margin of only four votes...
That's not to say that the rule meant some didn't read it fully, mostly that they had to remove the 3-day wait because this was obviously fairly urgent. One would have to assume that not being able to read the full 2200+ pages goes hand-in-hand with that decision though.
And my "wait until it's fully read and understood" approach is solely concerning the general public and talking heads commenting on and freaking out over the bill. THEY are the ones that I doubt have read the 2200+ pages and actually understand the content. 99% of the reactions here are based on the things picked up from them, so we should hold off on reacting because there's a good chance THEY don't understand it yet either.
Hopefully that clears up my position a bit.
Posted on 3/24/18 at 2:10 am to Tigerdev
So, after reading the entire bill, what are some of your favorite packages?
Also, does Trump have to spend the entire thing?
Also, does Trump have to spend the entire thing?
Posted on 3/24/18 at 2:16 am to Errerrerrwere
quote:It's not a win when we continue to spend irresponsibly and continue to spend more, including on defense.
Trump got 700 billion for the military. All other spending is up for review in late September. Let’s take a look at the political climate then.
Enjoy the battle you won today. But in your hubris; you may want to actually start reading the bill before you show your arse.
I'm just pointing out that this idea that the bill is a guide, is flat out wrong. I only need to read the rules of the system. But I'm not reading a 2000 plus bill that shows how poorly our government runs things; we already know that. But you don't seem like the type to read it either.
Posted on 3/24/18 at 2:18 am to buckeye_vol
quote:
Well they're probably educated enough--just capable of using Google or Wikipedia and reading about--to realize the chain email in the OP is flat out wrong.
Since you believe it's right, then either your not educated enough outside of your own field AND you're not capable of taking a few seconds to Google it to verify it.
So you're not even meeting the low bar that they set.
If you want to play semantics - nowhere did I say that he was 100% correct, just that the conservative talking heads aren't even taking the correct approach and that they're not reporting it the way covered in the OP. In all reality the truth is somewhere in between the narrative put forth and the OP.
I know how the omnibus works, people here just tend to nitpick and assume the shite out of every. little. thing.
We - as in the public - don't know the full effect and recourse of this yet and that's a fact regardless of your stance. It's temporary, the president can still manipulate how much money goes where, there's a lot that could be considered 'open-ended,' and it's not full appropriation of these agencies and programs, which - I believe - is the main point the "chain email" in the OP was trying to convey. He/she may have gone about it in an arguably incorrect manner, but the base argument remains.
ETA- and this statement (below) is true concerning the scope of the omnibus or anything else political. Not sure how that could be argued at this point.
They're not even covering it this way on conservative news networks, which goes to show how much you can trust anything the talking heads are saying. Most aren't educated beyond their journalism degrees and just happen to be good at talking ABOUT politics, not knowledgeable about the inner workings.
This post was edited on 3/24/18 at 2:25 am
Posted on 3/24/18 at 2:21 am to buckeye_vol
Ive been reading it since 4:30. 
I’m about to go to bed. It may take me a few more days. But understand this, Trump doesn’t need to spend all of it. He doesn’t have to allocate a dime to anything mentioned in those 2,200 pages to be quite honest.
Hell, I ran across a section saying NO abortions will be funded by the Fed govt. (started a thread on it, as well.)
Yet, everyone was bitching about Trump being a sellout because he was funding PP and abortions.
Now, I know you just like to argue for the sake of arguing; and have already said you weren’t reading the bill. But until you do, NOONE should listen to a fricking word you say, because it’s meaningless, because, it’s not that you’re fricking stupid. You’re just fricking ignorant to what’s in the actual bill.
Carry on, and like I said, let’s wait until Sept to see where we are.
I’m about to go to bed. It may take me a few more days. But understand this, Trump doesn’t need to spend all of it. He doesn’t have to allocate a dime to anything mentioned in those 2,200 pages to be quite honest.
Hell, I ran across a section saying NO abortions will be funded by the Fed govt. (started a thread on it, as well.)
Yet, everyone was bitching about Trump being a sellout because he was funding PP and abortions.
Now, I know you just like to argue for the sake of arguing; and have already said you weren’t reading the bill. But until you do, NOONE should listen to a fricking word you say, because it’s meaningless, because, it’s not that you’re fricking stupid. You’re just fricking ignorant to what’s in the actual bill.
Carry on, and like I said, let’s wait until Sept to see where we are.
Posted on 3/24/18 at 2:22 am to Errerrerrwere
You seem to have some assertions to make. Lay them out. Are you suggesting the bill that was passed will not lead to the spending that was agreed to? Did Santa Claus bring your wife the Applebees gift certificate you got her for Christmas too?
Posted on 3/24/18 at 2:24 am to Tigerdev
quote:
You seem to have some assertions to make. Lay them out. Are you suggesting the bill that was passed will not lead to the spending that was agreed to?
Absolutely. It’s NOT a budget.
quote:
Did Santa Claus bring your wife the Applebees gift certificate you got her for Christmas too?
Coming from a shill try hard who answered my questions with a question, this is rich. Par for the course.
Posted on 3/24/18 at 2:29 am to Errerrerrwere
you have no idea what an Omnibus is or how it works...You read a conservative blog designed to give you a talking point and the ability to sleep tonight. Dude...shameful.
bookmarking for quote so we can review at your next Shill show in September (you will have a different excuse by then but will still be worth a laugh)
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