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re: Water heater blamed for death of Iowa family in Mexico
Posted on 3/25/18 at 12:03 am to Giantkiller
Posted on 3/25/18 at 12:03 am to Giantkiller
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No. Mexico is now DFGTM: Don’t. fricking. Go. To. Mexico.
I have sympathy for this family but whomever idea it was to even go pretty much killed them all. It’s like third world bullshite down there. Hasn’t everyone on earth figured this out by now?
This is actually one of the more ignorant things I've read in a while. Mexican people are some of the most hospitable and welcoming in the world, and its a beautiful country. Just like anywhere else; use common sense, stay out of the bad areas, don't put yourself in sketchy situations, be respectful, you'll be alright. Tragic accidents like this can happen anywhere.
Stay in your lane and you'll never even run across any cartel shite. They aren't looking to butcher entire random foreign families for no reason at all. Cartel violence generally happens for a reason and to send a message. I would be more worried about a corrupt cop trying to extort me, but even that doesn't happen as often as people would have you believe.
There's a documentary on Netflix called Expedition Happiness, and the part where they're in Mexico does a great job of showing the real Mexico and how great the people are. Yes, they do meet a drug kingpin and visit his property and see his tigers when a local they make friends with is showing off his hometown. But they don't even know anybody they are talking to is involved with drugs until after the fact, everybody is nice and hospitable. Most cartels actually do a lot of good in their local communties, produce jobs, donate money to schools. They're loved in their communities because they take care of the people in the ways that the shitty Mexican government should be but doesn't. The violence you see is usually warring between cartels and the people getting killed are involved with cartels and know what they're signing up for.
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Posted on 3/25/18 at 12:12 am to BowlJackson
I have but one upvote to give.
It’s incredible to me that one of the most interesting and beautiful countries on this planet is right below us and most Americans watch too much cable news to realize it. Whatever.
It’s incredible to me that one of the most interesting and beautiful countries on this planet is right below us and most Americans watch too much cable news to realize it. Whatever.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 12:29 am to BowlJackson
Mazatlan is safer to walk the night streets in the old town than walking 3am from a French Quarter drunk down an alley to a dark parking lot.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 12:43 am to Giantkiller
I am literally at a 5 star resort in Tulum as I type this. Best vacation ever and never a worry. This is the second time here in six months and already working on the third trip back to the same place.
Don’t deal drugs and don’t frick with the police and everything is gonna be ok.
Don’t deal drugs and don’t frick with the police and everything is gonna be ok.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 5:11 am to shiphascomein
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Don’t deal drugs and don’t frick with the police and everything is gonna be ok.
I doubt the family in question agrees with you.
The resort areas are normally ok but large swaths of the country are a no go for me.
The Mexican gov. supresses a metric frick load of bad publicity, while it is not my bag YouTube has quite a few beheading videos out of your Shangri Li.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 5:55 am to cave canem
Families die from gas leaks in America too.
Your YouTube beheading videos show innocent tourists getting beheaded for no reason?
Cartels in Mexico are like the gangs in America, for the most part the violence is between rivals. Bringing "civilians" into the violence is bad for business, so if there's any collateral damage something probably went wrong.
Killing a foreign tourist, especially an American, and bringing international attention would be VERY bad for business. Foreigners who get killed are usually journalist who are snooping too much, or somebody who inserts themselves into the situation by getting involved with drugs themselves or being disrespectful. Violence against tourists in Mexico is almost always going to be something isolated like a mugging, extortion, assualt, something done by an individual and not a cartel. And like America or anywhere its probably happening at night, with alcohol involved, in a situation that you could have easily avoided.
If you think the cartels are randomly killing innocent tourists for no reason, especially entire families with young kids, you've been watching Narcos and too many liveleak videos.
Your YouTube beheading videos show innocent tourists getting beheaded for no reason?
Cartels in Mexico are like the gangs in America, for the most part the violence is between rivals. Bringing "civilians" into the violence is bad for business, so if there's any collateral damage something probably went wrong.
Killing a foreign tourist, especially an American, and bringing international attention would be VERY bad for business. Foreigners who get killed are usually journalist who are snooping too much, or somebody who inserts themselves into the situation by getting involved with drugs themselves or being disrespectful. Violence against tourists in Mexico is almost always going to be something isolated like a mugging, extortion, assualt, something done by an individual and not a cartel. And like America or anywhere its probably happening at night, with alcohol involved, in a situation that you could have easily avoided.
If you think the cartels are randomly killing innocent tourists for no reason, especially entire families with young kids, you've been watching Narcos and too many liveleak videos.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 6:21 am to BowlJackson
Take a few seconds of hour time and Google the below and think about what you typed.
Allende Mexico
2012 Neveo Larado
Massacre of San Fernando specifically the second one
That should get you started, only an idiot would compare garden variety street gangs to the cartels.
Here is an excerpt
Allende Mexico
2012 Neveo Larado
Massacre of San Fernando specifically the second one
That should get you started, only an idiot would compare garden variety street gangs to the cartels.
Here is an excerpt
quote:
The 2011 San Fernando massacre, also known as the second massacre of San Fernando,[1] was the mass murder of 193 people by Los Zetas drug cartel at La Joya ranch in the municipality of San Fernando, Tamaulipas, Mexico in March 2011.[2] Authorities investigating the massacre reported numerous hijackings of passenger buses on Mexican Federal Highway 101 in San Fernando, and the kidnapped victims were later killed and buried in 47 clandestine mass graves.[2] The investigations began immediately after several suitcases and other baggage went unclaimed in Reynosa and Matamoros, Tamaulipas.[3] On 6 April 2011, Mexican authorities exhumed 59 corpses from eight mass graves.[4] By 7 June 2011, after a series of multiple excavations, a total of 193 bodies were exhumed from mass graves in San Fernando.[5]
2011 San Fernando massacre
Part of Mexican Drug War
Location
San Fernando, Tamaulipas, Mexico
Coordinates
24°50'N 98°09'W
Date
6 April – 7 June 2011
Target
Civilians and Gulf Cartel hitmen
Attack type
Mass murder, kidnapping
Deaths
193
Perpetrator
Los Zetas
Not to be confused with the 2010 San Fernando massacre, the killing of 72 illegal immigrants.
Reports mentioned that female kidnapping victims were raped and able-bodied male kidnapping victims were forced to fight to the death with other hostages, similar to ancient Roman gladiators, where they were given knives, hammers, machetes and clubs to find recruits who were willing to kill for their lives.[6] In the blood sport, the survivor was recruited as a hitman for Los Zetas; those who did not survive were buried in a clandestine gravesite
This post was edited on 3/25/18 at 6:31 am
Posted on 3/25/18 at 8:33 am to JPinLondon
Still doubtful. I'd prefer US pathologists provide a report.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 8:39 am to SamuelClemens
quote:That's not a sterling recommendation.
Mazatlan is safer to walk the night streets in the old town than walking 3am from a French Quarter drunk down an alley to a dark parking lot
I've been to Mexico many times. The last was in 2004. When a friendly cab driver at the airport tells you to keep an eye on your infant while you're in the country it's makes for an easy decision not to return.
This post was edited on 3/25/18 at 8:41 am
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:01 am to BowlJackson
I have had great vacations in Mexico, just did another over the Summer.
I am done with Mexico though. The crime is creeping into tourists spots, to say any different is wrong.
The reward vs. risk is not going in their favor.
Yes the US has a tone of crime, but we have better transparency, less corruption and better legal resources. Our Medical system is better as well.
It sucks, the Mexican people working in the tourists industry are some of the absolute best and it is not their fault in any way. This is a complete failure of their government and not wanting to eradicate the cartel problem.
Acapulco was once at the top of the vacation pyramid. Now you have the Mexican Army patrolling the beach in full gear to make the tourists feel safe.
There are just other places safer for families now.
If you do want to go, I can recommend Unico. Just opened a little over a year ago and it is a 18+ resort. All-inclusive, but with some of the best food I had.
I am done with Mexico though. The crime is creeping into tourists spots, to say any different is wrong.
The reward vs. risk is not going in their favor.
Yes the US has a tone of crime, but we have better transparency, less corruption and better legal resources. Our Medical system is better as well.
It sucks, the Mexican people working in the tourists industry are some of the absolute best and it is not their fault in any way. This is a complete failure of their government and not wanting to eradicate the cartel problem.
Acapulco was once at the top of the vacation pyramid. Now you have the Mexican Army patrolling the beach in full gear to make the tourists feel safe.
There are just other places safer for families now.
If you do want to go, I can recommend Unico. Just opened a little over a year ago and it is a 18+ resort. All-inclusive, but with some of the best food I had.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:07 am to JPinLondon
Seeing the picture of the little girl hurts
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:09 am to BowlJackson
I disagree with much of what you have written. My Dad owns in San Miguel De Allende. I drove across the country when people did such things. I first visted at age 14. I agree that many Mexicans are wonderful people. I agree you can have a wonderful vacation if you go to the right places.
But that is only half of it. The other half is the FACT that civil society in Mexico is in disarray. The cartels have become increasingly emboldened (see ferry bombing). If you are victimized and survive there is no justice. Murder and other violence has become increasingly random and arbitrary. It has encroached into tourist areas throughout the country. Kidnapping for money is a thing.
It's just reality. There is no need to pretend things are better than they are or worse than they are. The reality of the situation in Mexico should be sobering enough. Personally, I'll pass. My decision is based on the idea that if something does happen, redress is arbitrary. It's become an unvirtuous society in that you are amidst so much misery and societal chaos. A wrong turn could be the end of you easier there than I want it to be for my vacation.
I've chosen to go instead to places like French Polynesia, Japan, Vietnam, Canada, Spain, Ireland, Hawaii, Italy, the Florida panhandle, etc. If I have the urge to head south there are many great locations with great people and food that aren't in cultural disarray and were there isn't daily horrific violence. I'm hearing that Colombia is having a renaissance. I've heard Costa Rica is great. And of course the Islands...
Just my two cents.
But that is only half of it. The other half is the FACT that civil society in Mexico is in disarray. The cartels have become increasingly emboldened (see ferry bombing). If you are victimized and survive there is no justice. Murder and other violence has become increasingly random and arbitrary. It has encroached into tourist areas throughout the country. Kidnapping for money is a thing.
It's just reality. There is no need to pretend things are better than they are or worse than they are. The reality of the situation in Mexico should be sobering enough. Personally, I'll pass. My decision is based on the idea that if something does happen, redress is arbitrary. It's become an unvirtuous society in that you are amidst so much misery and societal chaos. A wrong turn could be the end of you easier there than I want it to be for my vacation.
I've chosen to go instead to places like French Polynesia, Japan, Vietnam, Canada, Spain, Ireland, Hawaii, Italy, the Florida panhandle, etc. If I have the urge to head south there are many great locations with great people and food that aren't in cultural disarray and were there isn't daily horrific violence. I'm hearing that Colombia is having a renaissance. I've heard Costa Rica is great. And of course the Islands...
Just my two cents.
This post was edited on 3/25/18 at 9:41 am
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:21 am to Lsupimp
quote:One of these things is not like the others
I've chosen to go instead to places like French Polynesia, Japan, Vietnam, Canada, Spain, Ireland, Hawaii, Italy, the Florida panhandle, etc
One of these things just doesn't belong
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song...
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:25 am to Jake88
Well duh but that is irrelevant to the point being made.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:28 am to Tigertown in ATL
It's a joke, brah.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:31 am to Jake88
Wanted to throw a warm sunny domestic beach in there. I’d much rather spend a week in a nice beach condo on the panhandle than one in Mexico if I need a beach fix.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 9:40 am to Lsupimp
I would too.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:07 am to Lsupimp
quote:
I agree that many Mexicans are wonderful people. I agree you can have a wonderful vacation if you go to the right places.
But that is only half of it. The other half is the FACT that civil society in Mexico is in disarray. The cartels have become increasingly emboldened (see ferry bombing). If you are victimized and survive there is no justice. Murder and other violence has become increasingly random and arbitrary. It has encroached into tourist areas throughout the country. Kidnapping for money is a thing.
It's just reality. There is no need to pretend things are better than they are or worse than they are. The reality of the situation in Mexico should be sobering enough. Personally, I'll pass. My decision is based on the idea that if something does happen, redress is arbitrary. It's become an unvirtuous society in that you are amidst so much misery and societal chaos. A wrong turn could be the end of you easier there than I want it to be for my vacation.
This is really well said. I think the two sides of this thread's argument are both taking it to the extreme, and are thus either being overly optimistic or ridiculously cautious.
I say this as someone who has visited all over Mexico since my first border crossing into Juarez in 1989. I bussed in '04 from Merida to Chichen Itza to Cancun to the Belize border (where we rented a truck and drove to Tikal, passing pickup trucks of armed Guatemalan banditos along the route). Five years later, we had a condo in Baja, where we rented a car and drove up to La Paz. Got REALLY lost at night in Cabo san Lucas (non tourist areas). Flew to awesome Mexico City in 2012, used their subway and bus system there. Been to Mexico maybe 15 other times (mostly border towns plus Cozumel and Playa), including Piedras Negras last Thanksgiving.
Never once felt unsafe in all of those visits. I used to have a saying when many of my friends and family were scared for me and the wife in Mexico (my MiL thought surely I'd get her daughter killed)... Europeans and Canadians are glad that most Americans are scared of Mexico, because otherwise, Mexico would be overrun with Americans.
But LSUpimp's point is pretty accurate, IMO. There has been a change. It is less safe. The chances of something bad happening are higher, but still low. Would I re-do all of those trips now? No. Will I go to Mexico again? Yes.
Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:24 am to DarthRebel
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We were going back to Mexico this Summer, went last Summer, but frick it. I am done with that country.
I find posts like this kind of funny. It shows how stupid people are.
There’s this thing called probability. Do you have any idea how many people travel to Mexico each year?
Posted on 3/25/18 at 10:40 am to JPinLondon
Folks from Louisiana worried about crime while visiting the Riviera Maya 
You must never leave Mandeville
You must never leave Mandeville
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