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Flood insurance canceled where my rental home is.

Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:08 pm
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
53644 posts
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:08 pm
I was in the process of organizing selling my rental home. I owe $32k on it and my realtor was in the process of putting it on the market for $94. I bought it as a HUD house in 2013 for $37k.

Saturday, I received in the mail a reimbursement check from my insurer and a letter stating that after a new zoning, flood insurance is no longer required. This was $132/month.

Without flood insurance, my total payment drop to about $416/month. I currently am renting it for $750/month, but could easily do more (I kept it low because I have had the same tenant in there for three years who is great). I could do upwards of about $850/month and easily rent it out in the area all the time.

Now that my profit margin seemingly go up $130/month automatically, I am now very hesitant continuing with the plans on selling. The Rate of Return numbers are very good. Should I just continue on selling and making a great profit, or now, with these new numbers continue renting?

If I need more info, let me know.
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
10036 posts
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:13 pm to
quote:

Saturday, I received in the mail a reimbursement check from my insurer and a letter stating that after a new zoning, flood insurance is no longer required. This was $132/month. 



I understand them informing you of this news, but they just cancelled it? What if you still wanted to carry it?
Posted by plaric
Pike Road, Alabama
Member since Jun 2011
2266 posts
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:14 pm to
Get HELOC and buy more houses / expand?
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
53644 posts
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:15 pm to
quote:

What if you still wanted to carry it?


Then I could contact my insurer to tack it back on if I wished. The option is still there, just not the mandate.
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
53644 posts
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:16 pm to
quote:

Get HELOC and buy more houses / expand?


My bank says I cannot use the equity of a rental home. Is this normal procedure or should I look elsewhere?
Posted by LSUTigers00884
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2011
1165 posts
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:39 pm to
Look elsewhere. You can. It's a line of credit. You can get a line of credit on a business, land, etc.
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
53644 posts
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:42 pm to
Any recommendations? I would love to be able to keep both homes and buy the condo as well. I jus feel like at this type of margin, it's an amazing opportunity.
Posted by ellesssuuu
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2016
3167 posts
Posted on 3/18/18 at 6:16 pm to
I doubt it was cancelled but it will go down since it’s no longer required
Posted by tiger022467
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2015
30 posts
Posted on 3/18/18 at 7:15 pm to
Yes, it will go down significantly if they changed it from a flood zone to a none hazard zone. May not cost you $132 a year. If you keep the property and are worried about flooding, I would get a new quote.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25054 posts
Posted on 3/18/18 at 8:33 pm to
Jefferson Parish?

FYI, they shouldnt be cancelling your flood insurance due to rezoning. Insurer shouldve cancelled the old policy and rewrote it to a Preferred Risk Policy and refunded the difference in premium. You would’ve had to sign a cancellation request with insurer to cancel it completely due to rezoning.

Mortgage company can tell you flood insurance is no longer a requirement of the loan and adjust your monthly escrow and send you a refund if it causes a big overage on your current escrow. Then you’ll be responsible for the flood policy renewal payment. But mortgage company can’t cancel your policy for you.
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
53644 posts
Posted on 3/18/18 at 10:39 pm to
quote:

Jefferson Parish?


No. It is located in Walls, MS (DeSoto County). The most NW town in MS in between Memphis, TN and Tunica, MS. Not too far from the MS River.

The letter reads, "This letter concerns the flood insurance policy for the above-referenced loan. We previously wrote to inform you that as a result of a recent flood map revision, flood insurance is no longer required as a condition of your mortgage loan, that but the flood zone designation is not an assurance that the property will not be damaged by flooding.

We have deleted the flood insurance from your escrow account. Your mortgage payment has been adjusted so that we are no longer collecting for flood insurance. This reduction will be reflected on your next payment advice. If the payment is currently made through Auto Draft, the change will automatically occur within two cycles. A check, of $897 is enclosed in the amount collected for the flood insurance premium but have not disbursed."
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25054 posts
Posted on 3/18/18 at 11:24 pm to
Ok. That letter is from your lender, not your insurer correct? Lender is informing you that you’ve been remapped and no longer required to carry flood insurance. They’re removing cost for flood premium from your mortgage’s escrow. The refund is for the amount you’ve paid into escrow for the past few months for flood insurance. In the future, you’ll be paying flood insurance out of pocket if you want to keep it and it won’t be factored into mortgage.

As long as the property hasnt had multiple prior flood claims, you should qualify for preferred risk policy which would run $550-675 range for a rental depending on amount of coverage. If you haven’t also gotten a refund from your insurer, contact your agent to check into it. If you qualify for PRP then insurer should cancel old policy and re-issue as PRP with premium difference being refunded to you
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
53644 posts
Posted on 3/18/18 at 11:26 pm to
quote:

That letter is from your lender, not your insurer correct?


Correct. Regions is the mortgage lender but Farm Bureau was the flood insurer.

Any recommendations? I have never dealt with anything like this ever. Very confusing. Should I expect my mortgage payment to drop $116/month moving forward to compensate the difference?
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25054 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 7:16 am to
Should expect the mortgage payment to drop around that amount. May not be exactly $116 depending on if there’s been any recent change in hazard insurance or property tax costs.

Contact your Farm Bureau agent and let them know about the letter you got from Regions and ask them to have your flood policy re-rated if it hasnt been already so that you can take advantage of the lower rates due to rezoning.

Then if you want to keep flood insurance in the future, you’ll just have to make the annual renewal payment yourself since Regions won’t be anymore. If you moved into a B/C/X zone and the house hasnt ever had more than 1 flood claim, then you should qualify for a Preferred Risk Policy which would get you the lowest flood rates.
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
12146 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 8:14 pm to
Your property value has gone up most likely.

The decreased monthly payment will affect this is a positive way.
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 8:19 pm
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14970 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 9:05 pm to
Sounds like your lender had a policy for flood that only covered what they lent you initially on it. As was previously stated, your policy will get much cheaper.

I would suggest-strongly-that you maintain your coverage and add contents to it at the full value of the property. When you keep flood insurance on a property when you’re not in an flood zone, you have two things working for you:

1.) If at some point in the future a map update occurs and you’re shown to be again in a flood zone, you can continue to pay the subsidized rate if you prove to whomever writes it that you had the policy in place prior to the map revision putting you back in.

2.) You can pass this subsidized cost on to any prospective homebuyer if and when you do sell the home if you get put back into the flood zone. Which means if you sell a home and your neighbor does too, even with similar amenities and location, your cost of ownership is much lower due to being able to transfer the benefit of the reduced cost of the flood insurance policy to them while the neighboring property would not. In a sense it becomes a sales feature that will attractive homebuyers.

Good luck.
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 9:06 pm
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
175855 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 10:36 pm to
Flood insurance isn’t being escrowed any longer so it’s on you to maintain payment moving forward. Jesus Christ I don’t understand how people make some things so complicated
Posted by ConfusedHawgInMO
Member since Apr 2014
3578 posts
Posted on 3/21/18 at 9:13 am to
quote:

We have deleted the flood insurance from your escrow account. Your mortgage payment has been adjusted so that we are no longer collecting for flood insurance. This reduction will be reflected on your next payment advice. If the payment is currently made through Auto Draft, the change will automatically occur within two cycles. A check, of $897 is enclosed in the amount collected for the flood insurance premium but have not disbursed."


That doesn't say your flood insurance is cancelled though. Just that the lender isn't escrowing it anymore because it isn't required by the lender.
Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
53644 posts
Posted on 3/22/18 at 11:21 pm to
Guess maybe I should just rename the thread and ask this question.

Assuming nothing catastrophic, let's do this game: (select one)

1) Make $50k now or 2_ $400/month for life?
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