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Good Dog Trainer (Non-Hunting) in LA
Posted on 2/21/18 at 8:32 am
Posted on 2/21/18 at 8:32 am
Let me preface this post with the obligatory acknowledgement that my wife and I are horrible people for getting a "designer dog" and not a rescue. There, that should spare any of you from having to remind me.
With that said, we have a 1yr old goldendoodle who's already responded well to about 3 full weeks of professional training utilitizing nothing but positive reinforcement (basically treat training). He goes to and stays in kennel or bed on command, does the full slate of sit/lay/stay/play dead/etc., and is of course fully house broken. However, there are two behaviors that positive reinforcement has not solved:
(1) jumping on guests or on furniture - we've actually fixed this, but it required spanking him a few times with a rolled up magazine and he hasn't done it again since
(2) resource guarding - this is the one I need a fix for. It's become a problem. If he gets a hold of something he perceives to be of value, particularly if it's something he knows we don't want him to have, he goes into wolf mode and will actually try to snap at any hands who come near him. Typically, we have to trade him a piece of chicken in order for him to turn it over. We had been hoping he'd grow out of this, but he has not.
Any recommendations for trainers who know how to deal with this? Also, any fixes you've used successfully yourself are also welcome. It seems the advice available online is very varied on this topic.
With that said, we have a 1yr old goldendoodle who's already responded well to about 3 full weeks of professional training utilitizing nothing but positive reinforcement (basically treat training). He goes to and stays in kennel or bed on command, does the full slate of sit/lay/stay/play dead/etc., and is of course fully house broken. However, there are two behaviors that positive reinforcement has not solved:
(1) jumping on guests or on furniture - we've actually fixed this, but it required spanking him a few times with a rolled up magazine and he hasn't done it again since
(2) resource guarding - this is the one I need a fix for. It's become a problem. If he gets a hold of something he perceives to be of value, particularly if it's something he knows we don't want him to have, he goes into wolf mode and will actually try to snap at any hands who come near him. Typically, we have to trade him a piece of chicken in order for him to turn it over. We had been hoping he'd grow out of this, but he has not.
Any recommendations for trainers who know how to deal with this? Also, any fixes you've used successfully yourself are also welcome. It seems the advice available online is very varied on this topic.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 8:34 am to RedStickBR
If in Baton Rouge ---> Larry Benoit
Posted on 2/21/18 at 8:36 am to RedStickBR
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(2) resource guarding - this is the one I need a fix for. It's become a problem. If he gets a hold of something he perceives to be of value, particularly if it's something he knows we don't want him to have, he goes into wolf mode and will actually try to snap at any hands who come near him. Typically, we have to trade him a piece of chicken in order for him to turn it over. We had been hoping he'd grow out of this, but he has not.
When you put food down for him to eat, does he automatically go after it or does he wait for you to give the command to eat?
Same question for toys, treats and chews ... is it "his" right away or do you make it wait until you allow him to have it?
Posted on 2/21/18 at 8:42 am to RedStickBR
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If he gets a hold of something he perceives to be of value, particularly if it's something he knows we don't want him to have, he goes into wolf mode and will actually try to snap at any hands who come near him.
a good tug on his ear should quickly get the point across that you are in charge
Posted on 2/21/18 at 8:50 am to Will Cover
Thanks. That trainer does look good.
To your second post, yes, he typically tries to go after the food before you can even place his bowl on the ground. Same way with toys. If he gets one, it is "his." We have begun trying to correct that behavior by picking up a second toy and making a big deal about it, at which point he drops toy one and will sit in an attempt to please you into giving him toy two. However, with everyday toys, this "mine" behavior never becomes aggressive apart from the occasional round of playful tug of war. When he gets aggressive, it's with things like paper towels or a sock that falls out of the laundry basket.
To your second post, yes, he typically tries to go after the food before you can even place his bowl on the ground. Same way with toys. If he gets one, it is "his." We have begun trying to correct that behavior by picking up a second toy and making a big deal about it, at which point he drops toy one and will sit in an attempt to please you into giving him toy two. However, with everyday toys, this "mine" behavior never becomes aggressive apart from the occasional round of playful tug of war. When he gets aggressive, it's with things like paper towels or a sock that falls out of the laundry basket.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:00 am to Topwater Trout
It's not that easy. When he gets into resource guarding mode, it would be advisable not to put a hand near him.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:07 am to RedStickBR
Have you tried using a shock collar?
Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:07 am to RedStickBR
Professional trainer is a good idea...but, you need to do some things at home as well. First don't hit the dog - just don't do it. Being physical isn't a bad thing, but a better way is to make yourself "large" over the dog, and grab the scruff of the neck or the skin over the throat (not the throat, just the skin). You can even take the dog down by the scruff if he is particularly willful, but I would very strongly suggest you avoid hitting the dog. Be very alpha, very authoritative.
When he eats, make him sit first, then use the down and stay command until you let him eat, and don't leave food out for him. If he stops eating, pick it up. Also, mess with him while he is eating, and occasionally make him stop by picking up the food and having him wait.
Immediately discipline him if he jumps up anyone - nip that right in the bud, and I would use the word "off" as opposed to "down" which you will need for another command. When he jumps up, gentle but firm knee to the chest and ignore him other than to say off.
I would get a prong collar (these are not cruel) and when people are coming to the house, click his leash on really quick and control him with sit command before they come in the door.
E-collar training (vibratory and/or shock) is also an alternative, but I would recommend professional guidance if you go this route.
When he eats, make him sit first, then use the down and stay command until you let him eat, and don't leave food out for him. If he stops eating, pick it up. Also, mess with him while he is eating, and occasionally make him stop by picking up the food and having him wait.
Immediately discipline him if he jumps up anyone - nip that right in the bud, and I would use the word "off" as opposed to "down" which you will need for another command. When he jumps up, gentle but firm knee to the chest and ignore him other than to say off.
I would get a prong collar (these are not cruel) and when people are coming to the house, click his leash on really quick and control him with sit command before they come in the door.
E-collar training (vibratory and/or shock) is also an alternative, but I would recommend professional guidance if you go this route.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:13 am to RedStickBR
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To your second post, yes, he typically tries to go after the food before you can even place his bowl on the ground. Same way with toys. If he gets one, it is "his."
Put him on a leash when you are about to feed him or provide him with a toy, treat or chew.
You can keep control of him when you give him the "leave it" command or "okay." Work on this repeatedly with him and appropriately reward him. Keep it positive. Always end on "fun" note. And don't do it for more than 10 minutes at a time.
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When he gets aggressive, it's with things like paper towels or a sock that falls out of the laundry basket.
How often are you exercising him? Be honest here.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:16 am to BigPapiDoesItAgain
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I would get a prong collar (these are not cruel) and when people are coming to the house, click his leash on really quick and control him with sit command before they come in the door.
I highly recommend this one:
More humane and just as effective as the metal prong collars.
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Immediately discipline him if he jumps up anyone - nip that right in the bud, and I would use the word "off" as opposed to "down" which you will need for another command.
I use "off" for all of my negative behavior commands. There is no need for any dog to learn "no," "stop," "quit," or anything else. If you want him to change his behavior and redirect him to something else, "off" works.
This post was edited on 2/21/18 at 9:18 am
Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:19 am to RedStickBR
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(Non-Hunting)
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1yr old goldendoodle
1st - both of those breeds are working dogs, who in their genetic code want to hunt/work
2nd - I would highly recommend a retriever training school over any non-working dog training. The retrieving training foundation is built on obedience, ie the dog will gain all of the obedience you desire plus be versed in an activity that runs in his/her blood.
The added benefit is that you will be able to take the dog outside and run retrieving drills with him for fun. The dog will love you for this, burn energy in a healthy/constructive way, and it will reinforce the obedience in him. The dog wants to retrieve (it doesn't have to be a dead animal, it can easily be a bumper, the dog doesn't care. It's mental and physical stimulation for him.)
Resource guarding will be trained out of him through deliver to hand training (retriever trianed only)
This post was edited on 2/21/18 at 9:20 am
Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:21 am to RedStickBR
Worth a shot. Good buddy of mine has a German shepherd-Husky mix and he had good success with using shock collar training over a few weeks.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:22 am to BigPapiDoesItAgain
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Professional trainer is a good idea...but, you need to do some things at home as well. First don't hit the dog - just don't do it. Being physical isn't a bad thing, but a better way is to make yourself "large" over the dog, and grab the scruff of the neck or the skin over the throat (not the throat, just the skin). You can even take the dog down by the scruff if he is particularly willful, but I would very strongly suggest you avoid hitting the dog. Be very alpha, very authoritative.
I could probably be more authoritative with him. The problem is that the only time he is really out of line is during this resource guarding mode, which is exactly when you don't want to be aggressive with him. Maybe if we are more authoritative about things like when and under which conditions he gets food or toys, as you've suggested, that would have positive spillover effects. The only times I've ever hit him were the two or three times I used the magazine to stop him from jumping. Haven't had to do this again since as that nipped it in the bud almost immediately. We do use "off" vs "down," but again don't really need to use it anymore as the jumping has all but stopped.
I'm really trying to avoid the shock collar thing, and definitely wouldn't administer without profesional guidance. I feel it's a lazy solution to the problem unless you've first explored other, more humane ways of dealing with the problem behaviors. I'd feel like a failure if I had to shock my dog into submission without first using other means of behavioral modification. I can look at the prong collar, but this issue of him not behaving when guests come over has really become less and less of a problem since we fixed the jumping.
Other undesirable behaviors, such as puppy mouthing, we've been able to fix simply by "saying no" and refusing to engage him via petting or playing when he wants to be mouthy. It took time, but eventually he stopped. I was hoping we'd eventually have the same success with the resource guarding, but he is showing no signs of improvement.
We have no kids, but I can't help but think that he would be just as aggressive with a small child who dropped a bow or something and tried to take it back from him.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:24 am to RedStickBR
I don't understand why anyone would waste money on training a dog for non-hunting purposes.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:27 am to Will Cover
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Put him on a leash when you are about to feed him or provide him with a toy, treat or chew.
You can keep control of him when you give him the "leave it" command or "okay." Work on this repeatedly with him and appropriately reward him. Keep it positive. Always end on "fun" note. And don't do it for more than 10 minutes at a time.
This is good advice. We will start doing this. I think it will help enforce the notion that things that are "his" are not his without boundary.
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How often are you exercising him? Be honest here.
He is absolutely better behaved on days in which he gets ample exercise. Typically, that involves 2-3 miles of walking or jogging with one of us. However, the resource guarding trait is present irrespective of whether or not he has gotten enough exercise.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:28 am to Tiger Prawn
I'm not opposed to it. But just feel like it should be a last resort.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:31 am to Will Cover
I like the idea of consolidating all negative commands into "off."
Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:39 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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2nd - I would highly recommend a retriever training school over any non-working dog training. The retrieving training foundation is built on obedience, ie the dog will gain all of the obedience you desire plus be versed in an activity that runs in his/her blood.
This is a good idea. He has always naturally retrieved. He struggles with the "give it back" part, which is likely tied to the resource guarding. I could see this type of training being highly beneficial even if he never hunts.
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