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re: If your kid called you from school and said there was an active shooter?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:23 pm to bhtigerfan
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:23 pm to bhtigerfan
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Okay dickhead, enough of the bullshite hypotheticals.
Stop being emotional you whiny twat. Communicate like an adult.
quote:
If the fricking coach that took a bullet for his students would have been armed, do you think there would have possibly been a different outcome?
Possibly? Sure. Likely? Probably not.
But even that possibility, whatever it may be, is dependent on that teacher electing to be armed, being armed that day, and being in a position to deploy a weapon.
Again "any chance is better than nothing" is a totally different argument than "you can't tell me it wouldn't have made a difference."
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:24 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:Okay, since you continue to play "the hypothetical game", I'll play.
I would be willing to say it would have been more likely that it wouldn't have made a difference.
The chances are low that a teacher carrying was in the proximity of the shooting, was able to first make sure his/her students was safe, then prepared the weapon for engagement, engaged, and then did it effectively before it was all done.
That's a lot of specific things that have to happen perfectly, especially for people who aren't trained (like SWAT) for that situation and would also have other priorities (ensuring his/her students' safety) that would take priority.
Let's say that the male football coach concealed-carried a Glock 19 (9mm with 17+1 magazine). He barricades the door of his classroom and has all of the kids take cover on the opposite side of the room away from the door. He takes cover closer to door opposite of the students. The gunman tries to enter the classroom and can't open the locked door, so he shoots several rounds at the locks to attempt to bridge the door. The coach returns fire through the door with several rounds.
What the frick do you think the shooter is going to do if he isn't hit by the shots? Continue shooting at the door and attempting to enter the room and have a shootout? Or abandon the plan to enter that room and look for another?
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:26 pm to bhtigerfan
Your entire fricking thread is based on hypotheticals
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:26 pm to bhtigerfan
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What the frick do you think the shooter is going to do if he isn't hit by the shots?
Return fire in the direction of the first shots.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:26 pm to Pettifogger
quote:Probably not?
Possibly? Sure. Likely? Probably not.
Gunman don't like people shooting back at them. I'm pretty fricking sure there would have been a different outcome.
You only imagine the worst, most improbable outcome cause you're a little bitch.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:29 pm to bhtigerfan
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You only imagine the worst, most improbable outcome cause you're a little bitch.
When we create the emotional disorder watch list to add to NICS, I'm nominating you for chronic vaginitis
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:29 pm to DoubleDawg22
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You are exactly what’s wrong with America.
Shut the frick up, you're the kind of dude who jerks off in the corner while you ask me to frick your girlfriend, so don't talk shite to me unless you've already mapquested sonic.
Bitch
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:30 pm to bhtigerfan
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Gunman font like people shooting back at them.
How many gunmen have you talked to, to get to this conclusion? He was on a campus with intent to kill. I would imagine he would shoot back to neutralize that threat. Not just walk away. Sure, he may be killed or shot, but it's equally likely that he kills that teacher and the students he / she was protecting.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:32 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:Dude, I'm not talking about a teacher doing a Rambo and going around the school to neutralize the gunman. I'm talking about barricading yourself in a room and taking up a defensive position to defend the room from the gunman entering. In this scenario, the person defending the room has the advantage.
The chances are low that a teacher carrying was in the proximity of the shooting, was able to first make sure his/her students was safe, then prepared the weapon for engagement, engaged, and then did it effectively before it was all done.
That's a lot of specific things that have to happen perfectly, especially for people who aren't trained (like SWAT) for that situation and would also have other priorities (ensuring his/her students' safety) that would take priority.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:33 pm to DoubleDawg22
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If I’m packing Nobody is coming in or out of the room. We are barricading ourselves in and not leaving until wet know the outside is secure then we are crawling out windows.
The reality is that you may and I mean may have 2-5 teachers out of 50-100 at a school that are comfortable and trained to carry a concealed firearm at a school. There will never be a time as to where all teachers are armed. The best way to combat this once in a million threat is to leave the scene as quickly as possible.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:34 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:I think we should have both.
But I do think it would make more sense, and potentially more effective to have SROs trained to respond. More effective than teachers.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:35 pm to TennesseeFan25
Okay so you think a teacher with a weapon keeping students locked in a room...while an active shooter or multiple active shooters loose in the building actively trying to shoot students and teacher....would be part of a scheme to hold your kids hostage for ransom or worse.
And you just called me what!?!?!?
Here is the difference between you and me, I don’t have a girlfriend, I am more advanced than that, I don’t eat sonic as processed foods increase your chances of cancer and/or other diseases, and you have very little understanding of what a run on sentence is.
Excuse me...
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And you just called me what!?!?!?
Here is the difference between you and me, I don’t have a girlfriend, I am more advanced than that, I don’t eat sonic as processed foods increase your chances of cancer and/or other diseases, and you have very little understanding of what a run on sentence is.
Excuse me...
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This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:38 pm to 4LSU2
Having all teachers armed is not an option IMp. You just need to have a handful placed strategically throughout the school so that all areas of the building can be defended.
SRO’s will not get increased because police forces are already low in numbers in every city. They can’t pull more off the road to put in a school. Reality is that there wouldn’t be enough work for more than one in a school unless there was a shooting or something of that affect.
SRO’s will not get increased because police forces are already low in numbers in every city. They can’t pull more off the road to put in a school. Reality is that there wouldn’t be enough work for more than one in a school unless there was a shooting or something of that affect.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:39 pm to bhtigerfan
i'd send more money to the nra and the repubs!
it's a lib thing to take our guns away!
it's a lib thing to take our guns away!
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:42 pm to bhtigerfan
Truth is there are a lot of things that could be potentially helpful in hypothetical worst case scenarios but are impractical or even more dangerous the other 99.9999% of the time.
Dude kicks in the door guns blazing - sure I would prefer someone armed.
Does that mean I think it’s the most practical, most effective or safest or... generally best solution day to day? It’d take more to convince me
Dude kicks in the door guns blazing - sure I would prefer someone armed.
Does that mean I think it’s the most practical, most effective or safest or... generally best solution day to day? It’d take more to convince me
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:43 pm to buckeye_vol
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I would be willing to say it would have been more likely that it wouldn't have made a difference. The chances are low that a teacher carrying was in the proximity of the shooting, was able to first make sure his/her students was safe, then prepared the weapon for engagement, engaged, and then did it effectively before it was all done.
Are you A) 14 years old B) know nothing about firarms or C) a dumbass.
quote:SWAT? LOL. Your local yokel deputies and city police department special weapons and tactics? Jesus. If you are placing your faith there, God help you. They are wonderful at what they do. If your life depends on them, peace be upon you in the next life. Take responsibility for your own life. Sometimes, you only get one chance.
That's a lot of specific things that have to happen perfectly, especially for people who aren't trained (like SWAT) for that situation and would also have other priorities (ensuring his/her students' safety) that would take priority. The main thing people need to realize that these are extemely rare events, even if one is too many.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:43 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:OK. I'm fine with that, and I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that SROs being trained to respond could be far more effective, and I don't think teachers being armed would have much if an effect anyways.
I think we should have both.
So are we discussing potentially effective solutions, or what you want to see. Because I you're overestimating the effectiveness if you think allowing teachers to carry would have a measurable impact.
So given that you've started multiple threads with variations of the psychological comfort knowing a teacher carrying, I'm not sure if you're just arguing for the validity of that comfort (I'll buy that) or the objective effectiveness of it as well:
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:46 pm to Monday
quote:Really?
Return fire in the direction of the first shots.
This is not soldiers or the police seeking out the enemy or a criminal. This is a crazed gunman who is attacking defenseless people. You think they would choose to have a shootout or go look for defenseless targets?
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:48 pm to TopJimmy
quote:Not A, maybe B, and probably C.
Are you A) 14 years old B) know nothing about firarms or C) a dumbass.
But since you seem to think I’m wrong, surely you could point out the problem.
quote:I wasn't placing my faith in them, but if you're arguing I shouldn't place faith in those who have at least had training as a function of their job, then surely you wouldn't place faith in those who are not trained and it's not a function of their job.
SWAT? LOL. Your local yokel deputies and city police department special weapons and tactics? Jesus. If you are placing your faith there, God help you.
quote:I will. And that means I would know that engaging a threat, unless a last resort, would be an unwise decision.
your life depends on them, peace be upon you in the next life. Take responsibility for your own life.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:55 pm to buckeye_vol
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I would know that engaging a threat, unless a last resort, would be an unwise decision.
Only intelligent line of this entire shite show of a thread.
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