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democrats block GOP from setting up immigration vote
Posted on 2/13/18 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 2/13/18 at 8:14 pm
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Posted on 2/13/18 at 8:15 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Dems care about daca kids 
Posted on 2/13/18 at 8:16 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
:theyhavetogoback:
Posted on 2/13/18 at 8:19 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
They overplayed their hand. Omarosa saw the ICE DACA plans. They are going into effect.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 8:27 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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democrats block GOP from setting up immigration vote
Good.
Trump's immigration proposal is horse shite. It's basically Reagan's 1986 amnesty on steroids and would turn Texas, Arizona and Georgia blue.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 8:28 pm to Sentrius
It is and they are still rejecting it.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 8:32 pm to Sentrius
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Good. Trump's immigration proposal is horse shite. It's basically Reagan's 1986 amnesty on steroids and would turn Texas, Arizona and Georgia blue.
I hate to break it to you, but this is as good as it will get. It's amnesty for whose here, but stops the bleeding which is key.
If you expect any immigration reform to include mass deportations- you're clueless. If this continues without legislation until the next time the GOP controls the presidency, senate and house, you're tryIng to make a deal with 10M daca kids. Not 2.
Take the deal now and stop the bleeding.
This post was edited on 2/13/18 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 2/13/18 at 8:34 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Solving this issue is the last thing they want right now
They're stalling in the hopes it remains an issue till the primaries so they can campaign on a "Republicans failed to fix immigration" platform.
They're stalling in the hopes it remains an issue till the primaries so they can campaign on a "Republicans failed to fix immigration" platform.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 8:38 pm to BobBoucher
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If you expect any immigration reform to include mass deportations- you're clueless.
That's not even the biggest problem here and that's only small potatoes I can do without.
The biggest problem here is that it allows for sunset provisions where it would take us well into the 2020s long after Trump left office to finally and permanently end chain migration and the diversity lottery and that can be canceled any time by a GOPe or Democrat President.
I could reasonably stomach it if it called for immediate termination of those two programs and no sunset provisions. Those two programs are where the majority of the brunt of the excessive and and stupid immigration policies we have come from.
It's a terrible deal and Reagan's amnesty on steroids.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 8:42 pm to Sentrius
We're already seeing a spike in border arrests at the border thanks to Trump's irresponsible and stupid amnesty talk and constant bloviating about how he wants to "fix DACA"; that usually happens when you take away the deterrent of spoken language that's tough on illegal immigration and give up the farm to democrats just to win silly political points.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 8:44 pm to Sentrius
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The biggest problem here is that it allows for sunset provisions where it would take us well into the 2020s long after Trump left office to finally and permanently end chain migration and the diversity lottery and that can be canceled any time by a GOPe or Democrat President.
I agree - but don't lose focus. Those things will ALWAYS be subject to being overturned by a party that owns the presidency and congress.
You know what's a lot harder to do than put ink on paper? Deconstruct a wall. Get that wall, and drugs decrease. Crimes decrease. Anchor babies decrease. The wall will stay.
Can't eat an entire elephant in one bite.
So now you've narrowed your target to prevent states from turning blue (chain and lottery). That's much more manageable (another bite).
If this legislation doesn't get passed, nothing has been gained and it will only get worse when the pendulum inevitably swings.
This post was edited on 2/13/18 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 2/13/18 at 8:46 pm to BobBoucher
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It's amnesty for whose here
How will it be determined who’s “here”? And what is to stop millions of others currently living outside the US from claiming they’ve been “here” as well?
Posted on 2/13/18 at 8:48 pm to idlewatcher
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How will it be determined who’s “here”?
Dunno, but everyone seems to agree it's around 2 M. So they must have a way.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 8:53 pm to BobBoucher
I don’t like there not being some type of punishment for the fact people are here illegally; however, the process will take a long time to get total legal status.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 8:55 pm to Colonel Flagg
Get your Trump valentines cards....immigration edition
Posted on 2/13/18 at 8:58 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Thought you were sick and tired of all the political deciviousness and finger pointing that was tearing our country apart. Guess you was only kidding yourself.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:00 pm to Sentrius
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Sentrius
Honestly, you can frick off. You have been on the wrong side for the last 2 years.
The debate has to involve some leeway or there will be no deal.
Let us MAGA and just stfu
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:03 pm to Sentrius
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We're already seeing a spike in border arrests at the border thanks to Trump's irresponsible and stupid amnesty talk and constant bloviating about how he wants to "fix DACA"; t
what the frickPosted on 2/13/18 at 9:14 pm to BobBoucher
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Can't eat an entire elephant in one bite
quote:This is the Elephant in the room...People without citizenship having kids in America and those kids being given citizenship is beyond reason and will have lasting ramifications down the road...
Anchor babies decrease.
Posted on 2/13/18 at 9:14 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Good...good...
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