- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: For Episcopalians, God is Officially Gender Fluid (or whatever)
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:36 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:36 pm to FooManChoo
Thanks
0
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:38 pm to Champagne
In my personal faith Champagne, Jesus as my Lord and Savior, Jesus is my intercessor between God and myself. Because of who I am, a sinner, I am grateful I have Jesus to cover my sins so that God may look upon me and have mercy and grace. So in asking if the two talk, by faith I would have to say yes they do. Allowing the Holy Spirit into my heart I believe opens another channel for God to direct my spirit and thereby my life. For this to occur the Holy Spirit and God would have to be in communication.
I do not know if this explains it for you and at the very least may give some insight into faith. Faith is given by the Father.
I do not know if this explains it for you and at the very least may give some insight into faith. Faith is given by the Father.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:46 pm to tilco
quote:
I was fine with the marriage stuff cause who am I to judge.....but if they are serious with this I’m gone. Surely they aren’t this stupid. Hell I may be gone if this is even a fricking consideration.
And therein lies the rub. "Who are we to judge" isn't the issue. God is the judge, and he already has. Scripture couldn't be more explicit regarding God's hatred of homosexuality...and notice I'm talking about the behavior, not the person.
Once a church goes down the road of being tolerant in one area where God isn't, then one shouldn't be surprised where it ends.
edit: you can say make the same case about the role of women in the church. The New Testament also couldn't be more explicit about the notion of women preaching in an assembly. And it's a fallacy for churches to allow it because "times have changed", because Scripture bases that prohibition all the way back to Eve being the one to have been tempted by the serpent. But again, once churches start to be tolerant in areas where God isn't....
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 4:23 pm to themunch
As I contemplate the Nature of the Godhead Trinity, I just can't see them exchanging thoughts with one another in something like a conversation. I think that they are more unified than that, and I don't think my idea contradicts scripture, but I am not a Bible scholar.
BUT I can tell you what the guys in the dorm who take showers wearing swimsuits would tell us -- Polytheism!
Until I formulate my best Theological response to these gentlemen, I will utilize my trusty retort:
"Shut UP, dude. What do you know? You wear your swimsuit to take a shower."
BUT I can tell you what the guys in the dorm who take showers wearing swimsuits would tell us -- Polytheism!
Until I formulate my best Theological response to these gentlemen, I will utilize my trusty retort:
"Shut UP, dude. What do you know? You wear your swimsuit to take a shower."
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 4:35 pm to bfniii
Scutum fidei is a great link and great food for thought.
I'm having a difficult time with the notion that God is as relative to the Father as he is from the Son and the Holy Spirit.
I know that Christian theology teaches that all Three are One, but, to me, the Holy Spirit seems more like God's Messenger or something that emanates from God. Christ seems like he's the physical Incarnation of God to humankind on this planet, which would make Him God, too.
But at the same time, while my idea might not match the Scutum fidei's model, I don't think my idea contradicts what I learned from scripture.
I'm having a difficult time with the notion that God is as relative to the Father as he is from the Son and the Holy Spirit.
I know that Christian theology teaches that all Three are One, but, to me, the Holy Spirit seems more like God's Messenger or something that emanates from God. Christ seems like he's the physical Incarnation of God to humankind on this planet, which would make Him God, too.
But at the same time, while my idea might not match the Scutum fidei's model, I don't think my idea contradicts what I learned from scripture.
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 6:21 pm to Champagne
quote:we won't know for sure this side of heaven. they certainly can "converse" in the respect that they are extrinsically capable of interaction and the fact that since they differ in form, they coordinate in their roles of realizing God's providential will for creation, i.e. "I will intervene in this affair."
I just can't see them exchanging thoughts with one another in something like a conversation
quote:they can have their own individual thoughts yet, still be of one mind. a somewhat apt analogy is cerberus, the three headed dog of Greek mythology. the minds must work in tandem even though there are 3 separate minds.
I think that they are more unified than that
the temptation is to think of God in "modes" which is modalism, as described in The Shack and is an errant doctrine maintained by pentecostals.
quote:
"Shut UP, dude. What do you know? You wear your swimsuit to take a shower."
it's funny but there is actually theological truth to the approach - establishment of authority. when someone expresses something to you, you can always ask where they got that info and why they believe it.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 6:29 pm to Champagne
quote:in john 14:16, Jesus says he will send a "helper" or paraclete. he is the one who walks alongside. the role of the HS is to convict of sin and testify Christ to us. thus, the HS guides and directs us in the process of sanctification. i wouldn't say the HS "emanates" from God. that language wouldn't match Christ's words in the verse i cited. but, the HS is absolutely a messenger.
the Holy Spirit seems more like God's Messenger or something that emanates from God
quote:yep. this is called the hypostatic union. behind the trinity, it's the most difficult doctrine to understand. Jesus was fully human, fully God.
Christ seems like he's the physical Incarnation of God to humankind on this planet, which would make Him God, too.
quote:i think you've got the essential idea as expressed in scripture. as usual, we could always refine our language a bit.
while my idea might not match the Scutum fidei's model, I don't think my idea contradicts what I learned from scripture
really enjoying reading your thoughts on the matter
Posted on 2/8/18 at 8:36 pm to bfniii
I'll keep meditating on the nature of the Godhead, because I think that It is more unified than what some think. I keep going back to the idea that the Son is the Incarnation and the Holy Spirit is an Emanation that we have seen serving as a Messenger.
There is nothing in scripture demonstrating that the Holy Spirit ever spoke to anyone. The Father and the Son both spoke directly to Humankind, but the Holy Spirit never did. I wish I knew why.
There is nothing in scripture demonstrating that the Holy Spirit ever spoke to anyone. The Father and the Son both spoke directly to Humankind, but the Holy Spirit never did. I wish I knew why.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 8:41 pm to bfniii
quote:
Christ seems like he's the physical Incarnation of God to humankind on this planet, which would make Him God, too. yep. this is called the hypostatic union. behind the trinity, it's the most difficult doctrine to understand. Jesus was fully human, fully God.
This is the easiest part of the Trinity or Godhead for me to absorb and understand. The Incarnation.
In my view, God incarnated Himself as a human being. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did this and the Incarnation is called Jesus.
When King David wrote and sang Psalm 104 all of those thousands of years ago B.C., David was addressing this same God.
I like Psalm 104 sung in ancient Hebrew by an attractive woman.
Yamma Ensemble
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:29 pm to Champagne
I can dig it.
quote:
Yamma Ensemble
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:35 pm to themunch
Who laid the foundations of the earth, That it should not be moved for ever.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:36 pm to Champagne
Who is Iam
David was all human and a man, but a man who believed in God. He failed his God at times but never failed in faith.
David was all human and a man, but a man who believed in God. He failed his God at times but never failed in faith.
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 11:21 pm to themunch
Sorry to hi-jack this thread!
I normally make an effort to avoid hi jacking threads on the PT board.
I normally make an effort to avoid hi jacking threads on the PT board.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 11:47 pm to SSpaniel
quote:
I don't even know where a Lutheran church is.
I believe there are two on Goodwood Boulevard.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 11:56 pm to OMLandshark
quote:
the Baptists or Church of Christ,
You think you're being framed by the Baptists or Church of Christ? That's kinda crazy.
And I can tell you that the church of Christ does not hate you.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 11:59 pm to tilco
quote:
a fricking consideration.
Are you seriously using that kind of language?
Posted on 2/9/18 at 9:31 am to Champagne
A lot of people don't think about that Jesus existed in the Godhead prior to His incarnation. He was there at creation. He was there when the law was given to Moses. He was David's Lord.
Jesus didn't come into existence during the incarnation, but began His mission to save mankind from their sins at that point.
Jesus didn't come into existence during the incarnation, but began His mission to save mankind from their sins at that point.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 9:34 am to FooManChoo
quote:
A lot of people don't think about that Jesus existed in the Godhead prior to His incarnation. He was there at creation. He was there when the law was given to Moses. He was David's Lord. Jesus didn't come into existence during the incarnation, but began His mission to save mankind from their sins at that point.
The Jewish people would not agree with this, but, your point is clear to me.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 9:39 am to Champagne
The Father is God, Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God. Each have always been present, operate in perfect harmony and fulfill their respective purpose.
For me, only God can know the mind of God, hence, Jesus and the Holy Spirit must be God.
For me, only God can know the mind of God, hence, Jesus and the Holy Spirit must be God.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:03 am to wfallstiger
The Jewish theological view on the Holy Spirit is interesting to note. Some of them say the HS is:
"a quality belonging to God, one of his attributes".
Perhaps they mean to say that the HS is of God and is part of the Godhead, just as my own personal attributes and abilities are a part of me.
BUT if this personal attribute of my own is, for example, a Miraculous ability to heal the sick, THEN this "personal" attribute would not be mine or of me, but, rather it would be from God THROUGH the operation of the Holy Spirit.
Maybe that's another area of meditation to consider.
"a quality belonging to God, one of his attributes".
Perhaps they mean to say that the HS is of God and is part of the Godhead, just as my own personal attributes and abilities are a part of me.
BUT if this personal attribute of my own is, for example, a Miraculous ability to heal the sick, THEN this "personal" attribute would not be mine or of me, but, rather it would be from God THROUGH the operation of the Holy Spirit.
Maybe that's another area of meditation to consider.
Page 12 of 15
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News