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re: Is Brady already the GOAT?
Posted on 2/4/18 at 11:59 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Posted on 2/4/18 at 11:59 pm to ThePTExperience1969
The points with Montana and Marino? Montana's backup was a hall of famer. It's not surprising he'd do great things. Doesn't diminish Montana at all.
Marino's back up went 3-4 when Marino went down. Marino not diminished.
Brady's backups, 14-6. Went on to suck elsewhere.
Marino's back up went 3-4 when Marino went down. Marino not diminished.
Brady's backups, 14-6. Went on to suck elsewhere.
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Posted on 2/5/18 at 12:00 am to Jake88
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When someone gets as angry as it seems you are it becomes obvious you've got nothing and you recognize that.
Prove that I have nothing, I've already rebutted your idiot arguments and you've proven you can't argue effectively obviously a hater who doesn't know anything about football
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you recognize that.
I support my arguments with proof, all you're about is minimizing an arguable GOAT with backup W-L records I can do that too but I acknowledge greatness because I'm not a dolt and know what's up
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Therefore you start declaring some sort of victory and yell the loudest.
Because you argue like an idiot who relies solely on the backup W-L record, it's really that simple Occam's razor boiiiii
Posted on 2/5/18 at 12:00 am to Jake88
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The points with Montana and Marino? Montana's backup was a hall of famer. It's not surprising he'd do great things.
Hindsight, fell into that trap too
Posted on 2/5/18 at 12:03 am to ThePTExperience1969
I shot all of your proof down. Those backups either didn't win when they started or were greats as they went on. Additionally, you started listing backups for QBs that aren't in the GOAT conversation any longer.
The conversation includes Montana, Marino, Brady, Rodgers and Manning.
The conversation includes Montana, Marino, Brady, Rodgers and Manning.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 12:04 am to Jake88
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The points with Montana and Marino? Montana's backup was a hall of famer. It's not surprising he'd do great things.
LOL sure didn't do great things in Tampa Bay IDIOT just shot down that point and destroyed your entire argument, man you just arguing to argue
Posted on 2/5/18 at 12:05 am to Jake88
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I shot all of your proof down.
No, you didn't and I shot your rebuttals down so what's the deal here?
Posted on 2/5/18 at 12:05 am to ThePTExperience1969
That's no trap It's not hindsight with Young. It's not as if it wouldn't have happened. Hindsight has absolutely nothing to do with whether you've got a HOFer as your backup. I don't think you know what hindsight means.
It's not hindsight with Young. It's not as if it wouldn't have happened. Hindsight has absolutely nothing to do with whether you've got a HOFer as your backup. I don't think you know what hindsight means. Posted on 2/5/18 at 12:08 am to ThePTExperience1969
quote:The deal is that you're a Brady super fan who is incapable of being objective. I also suspect you're a kid who got really angry such that you began with the all caps and childishly began declaring some victory while refuting nothing I posted. I suspect you're simple. Goodnight. 14-6.
No, you didn't and I shot your rebuttals down so what's the deal here?
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Posted on 2/5/18 at 12:09 am to Jake88
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I shot all of your proof down. Those backups either didn't win when they started or were greats as they went on. Additionally, you started listing backups for QBs that aren't in the GOAT conversation any longer.
The conversation includes Montana, Marino, Brady, Rodgers and Manning.
You're validating my entire argument since Young did great things playing in the West Coast Offense that Montana thrived and achieved arguable GOAT status in San Francisco and no LOGICAL person (which I don't presume you are since you pulled the Brady backup angle to minimize TB12) disputes Joe Cool's one of the arguable GOATs so why TB12? Just accept greatness bro and not be a hater.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 12:09 am to Jake88
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That's no trap It's not hindsight with Young. It's not as if it wouldn't have happened. Hindsight has absolutely nothing to do with whether you've got a HOFer as your backup. I don't think you know what hindsight means.
I don't think you know what it means since Young sucked so royally at Tampa Bay initially
Posted on 2/5/18 at 12:12 am to Jake88
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The deal is that you're a Brady super fan who is incapable of being objective. I also suspect you're a kid who got really angry such that you began with the all caps and childishly began declaring some victory while refuting nothing I posted. I suspect you're simple. Goodnight. 14-6.
5 Super Bowl rings, 8 Super Bowl appearances, every Super Bowl record, every playoff record, 3 league MVPS, first 50 TD pass season in league history and top 5 IIRC in every league passing category yah I'm not a Brady super fan I'm logical and objective which OBVIOUSLY you aren't. Peace hater.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 12:14 am to Jake88
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while refuting nothing I posted.
I can tolerate a lot of things because I'm chill but I won't tolerate lying because I did refute what you posted. You serious?
Posted on 2/5/18 at 12:21 am to Jake88
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Jake88
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Nope. Fact is, when given the chance, Brady's mediocre backups can go 14-6 in the Patriots system. Definitely minimizes Brady a bit. Most people can recognize that. I don't hate the guy, he's a HOFer. But you seem to be incapable of being objective about it because he's your hero so there's no point in going further.
Super Bowl RECORDS and Super Bowl APPEARANCES and RINGS as STARTING QB top that
Posted on 2/5/18 at 12:22 am to ThePTExperience1969
Brady is the GOAT.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 12:30 am to Jake88
Dude, you even understand that Brady hasn’t played in exclusively one system his entire career? he’s played in multiple with multiple supporting casts so what are we even arguing here?
Posted on 2/5/18 at 5:55 am to ThePTExperience1969
Over the last 18 years with countless backups - New England has had only around a 10% drop off in QB production when Brady doesn’t play.
Compare that to around a 45% drop off when Brees hasn’t played.
CLEARLY, there is an advantage to playing for New England. It’s called the offensive line. Brady literally just stands there like a statue and has 4-6 seconds to throw the ball on almost every play. That’s unreal.
Compare that to around a 45% drop off when Brees hasn’t played.
CLEARLY, there is an advantage to playing for New England. It’s called the offensive line. Brady literally just stands there like a statue and has 4-6 seconds to throw the ball on almost every play. That’s unreal.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 6:35 am to Nonetheless
Sorry but no way does Montana lose one Super Bowl, let alone 3.
Montana remains the GOAT, in my eyes.
Montana remains the GOAT, in my eyes.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 6:54 am to BayouBengals03
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(First Team) TOM BRADY
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TOM BRADY
College: Michigan Pro Career: 2000-09 New England Patriots
Brady, a sixth-round draft pick taken as the 199th selection in 2000, threw for nearly 31,000 yards and 225 TDs during the decade. He guided the Patriots to seven AFC Eastern Division titles and victories in Super Bowls XXXVI, XXXVIII, and XXXIX. His finest year of the decade came during his MVP season in 2007 when he fired a NFL record 50 TDs passes.
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(Second Team) PEYTON MANNING
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College: Tennessee
Pro Career: 1998-2009 Indianapolis Colts
No player threw for more yards and TDs than Manning who finished as the decade’s highest rated passer. He threw for 42,254 yards and 314 TDs during the 10-season span to post a 98.2 passer rating. Voted to nine Pro Bowls in the decade, Manning also earned first-team All-NFL recognition four times and was twice named second-team All-NFL in the 2000s.
Now, let’s compare who played the QUARTERBACK position better in that decade. It’s not Brady, it’s the guy who had the highest rating, hence, who played the BEST. It’s Peyton Manning.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 7:03 am to ThePTExperience1969
Good lord. Steve Young played under the different coaches in SF. Brady has played under one and one system that is a huge winner. None of your refutations have been effective. Either they subbed only a few games, or their record as a sub actually sucked, or they were a HOFer in waiting who played under three coaches.
Posted on 2/5/18 at 7:16 am to Nonetheless
Nick has a better arm and is more athletic.??
Brady is a system QB, he would 0-16 at Cleveland
Brady is a system QB, he would 0-16 at Cleveland
This post was edited on 2/5/18 at 7:19 am
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