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Trump Decreases the Debt to GDP Ratio in His First Year in Office – First Time in 50 years

Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:43 am
Posted by Jjdoc
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Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:43 am
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ally decreased the Debt to GDP ratio by 1.2% in the President’s first year in office.
In contrast, President Obama increased the US Debt to GDP ratio his first year in office by 14.5%. Obama increased the rate a total of 37% over his 8 years in office.



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No President in more than 50 years has decreased the Debt to GDP ratio in his first year in office by more than 1%. The last President to do so was Nixon in 1969. Presidents Reagan and George W. Bush decreased the Debt to GDP ratio in their first years in office but by less than 1%.



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Posted by La Place Mike
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Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:44 am to
Thanks Obama. Am I right?
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:45 am to
HAIL TRUMP
Posted by Douboy
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:45 am to
Let me guess, it was because Obama started it? Amirite??
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:45 am to
Why do you seem so intent on posting thread titles that are plainly contradicted by your own post?

This:
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Trump Decreases the Debt to GDP Ratio in His First Year in Office – First Time in 50 years


Is not the same as this:
quote:

No President in more than 50 years has decreased the Debt to GDP ratio in his first year in office by more than 1%


I see no reason you can't Trump pump without attempting to be misleading.
Posted by Mulat
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:47 am to
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Trump Decreases the Debt to GDP Ratio in His First Year in Office – First Time in 50 years



If this Winning continues for 8 yrs, I say Mt. Rushmore needs President Trump
This post was edited on 1/28/18 at 10:48 am
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:49 am to
I see how there could be confusion, but I read the title as the same meaning as the second statement there -- for whatever that's worth.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
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Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:51 am to
He does
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
30074 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:51 am to
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I see how there could be confusion, but I read the title as the same meaning as the second statement there -- for whatever that's worth.


I'm not sure how, and I don't mean that in an aggressive way. In any plain reading, this:
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Trump Decreases the Debt to GDP Ratio in His First Year in Office – First Time in 50 years


Seems to directly contradict this:
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Presidents Reagan and George W. Bush decreased the Debt to GDP ratio in their first years in office...


But I've only had one cup of coffee, so if I'm wrong, someone let me know
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:52 am to
Don't really care what you feel or think.


Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
107696 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:54 am to
Never mind. I had coffee but maybe it hasn't kicked in. I misread your quibble.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:54 am to
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Don't really care what you feel or think.


What, no substantive response? Unlike you, I don't have any feelings on the subject, but I do think you're a political hack
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:54 am to
Subsequent years will increase the debt by an additional $1.5 trillion due to tax cuts, so he should enjoy this while it lasts.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
54817 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:55 am to
You are wrong. The body explains the title.

Nobody is trying to pull the wool over your fragile eyes.

Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
30074 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:56 am to
quote:

Never mind. I had coffee but maybe it hasn't kicked in. I misread your quibble.


And it's a minor one. If the thread title had read:
quote:

Trump Decreases the Debt to GDP Ratio by more than 1% in His First Year in Office – First Time in 50 years


I post nothing and swing back over to the F&D board to watch the gumbo pissing match going on over there
Posted by bencoleman
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:57 am to
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Subsequent years will increase the debt by an additional $1.5 trillion due to tax cuts, so he should enjoy this while it lasts


Remind me again. How much did Obama add to the debt?
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
30074 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:57 am to
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You are right. The body contradicts the title.

Facts make me uncomfortable


Fixed that for you, snowflake
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
107696 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 10:59 am to
I wasn't trying to demean your quibble. I promise.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 1/28/18 at 11:09 am to
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Remind me again. How much did Obama add to the debt?

1.4 trillion just his last year
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 1/28/18 at 11:13 am to
Just go to the White House's own historical tables to get the story with legitimate context, and look especially at Table 7.1: LINK.

Federal debt went from a peak of 106.1% at the end of 1946, to a trough of 23.1% at the end of 1974, to another cyclical peak of 47.8% at the end of 1993, to another trough of 31.4% at the end of 2001. At the end of 2007, it was only at 35.2%. Then you get the following...

2007, 35.2%
2008, 39.3%
2009, 52.3%
2010, 60.9%
2011, 65.9%
2012, 70.4%
2013, 72.6%
2014, 74.2%
2015, 73.3%
2016, 77.0%
2017, 77.4%

So it's continued to trickle up. The Budget Control Act of 2011 pushed through by the Republican Congress in August 2011 helped to stem the increases in the debt after 2012, but the trend is a continuing trickle-up, and by most every account, the markets have believed the Trump administration to be generally stimulative in terms of fiscal policy, both in terms of increasing spending and reducing taxation.

By the other estimate of public debt, the so-called "gross debt" that includes government IOUs to itself (which I don't think it makes sense to count), the debt % only went up form 106.1% at the end of 2016 to 106.2% at the end of 2017. This is the $19 trillion gross debt figure cited by the silly article. Accounting for some rounding errors and revisions, maybe this gross debt figure actually went down by more than 1%, but it's a silly thing to trumpet as historically significant.
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