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re: Meanwhile: Turkey has invaded Syria

Posted on 1/21/18 at 10:13 am to
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 1/21/18 at 10:13 am to
Is ISIS Sunni or Shia?

Sunni and Shia seem to play ball together but Kurd are odd man out?

Why would Russia/Syria go against Kurds. Thought they were both attacking IS
Posted by SirWinston
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 1/21/18 at 10:16 am to
Please don’t let us get involved with this shite
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 1/21/18 at 10:24 am to
quote:

Is ISIS Sunni or Shia?



They are Wahabi/Salafi subsect of the Hanbali school of jurisprudence, the least popular school of the four schools of Sunni jurisprudence. The Turks are broadly Hanafi.

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Sunni and Shia seem to play ball together but Kurd are odd man out?



The Sunni and Shia groups aren't aligned, broadly speaking, though it is complicated. The Kurds are the odd man out for a couple of reasons. First their population is spread through 4 different countries, Turkey, Iraq, Syria, and Iran. They are a Persian group but are Sunni, which alienates them from basically all of what would be their natural allies. Secondly the Kurds are split themselves, as they have a number of groups that do not align with each other, necessarily. Thirdly, the Turks have been fighting a variety of Kurdish groups since the 70's, and thus the Kurdish question is a primary security concern for them. Lastly, the Kurdish question is a convenient way to weaken near neighbors, as both Iran and Iraq in the 70s funded opposition groups in the other's countries to weaken them. The Turks funded Kurdish groups in Syria, and the Turkish Kurds have gotten funding from a variety of sources.

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Why would Russia/Syria go against Kurds. Thought they were both attacking IS



Russia nor Syria are interested in a direct conflict with the Turks. IS is mostly dead, though it will surely reform as an insurgency in the coming years.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/21/18 at 12:12 pm to
The Sunni and Shia do not get along.

The Sunni consider Shia heretics, and tolerate their existence, at best.

Isis is Sunni.

The Shia have created theological concepts that allow them to adapt to modernity. That’s one of the reasons Iran has a developed and modern society.

The Sunni have closed the book on Islam, and do not have a mechanism to adapt their theology to the modern world.

It exists, itjihad, but it’s no longer considered “correct.”
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 1/21/18 at 12:20 pm to
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Why would Russia/Syria go against Kurds. Thought they were both attacking IS


The Kurds want to declare independence from Syria and establish their own country. They were fighting ISIS for survival and hoping to use their victory and the relative power vacuum to achieve their dream of an independent Kurdistan.

Syria obviously doesn’t want them taking a big chunk of their country. Iraq, Iran, and Turkey don’t want this because they all have regions of large Kurdish populations that could rebel and breakaway in similar fashion to join this new Kurdistan state.

The U.S. has never fully backed Kurdish independence due to the fact that most of the Kurdish terror groups in Turkey are communist in nature.
This post was edited on 1/21/18 at 12:24 pm
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