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re: Goodbye Net Neutrality; Hello Competition

Posted on 1/7/18 at 8:13 pm to
Posted by Bass Tiger
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Posted on 1/7/18 at 8:13 pm to
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Maybe, we'll see. Fiber has so much more bandwidth, though. With wireless you're limited by certain radio frequencies.

Of course, Elon Musk (and competitors) plan to launch a fleet of low-orbit satellites that will cover the country. It will offer 30ms latency and 1 Gbps speeds which is about the same as a wired connection. Current satellite Internet sucks because it has around 600ms latency, which isn't very enjoyable.

Satellite Internet, of course, uses radio waves just as terrestrial wireless. While they may be able to provide 1 Gbps now, will they be able to offer 10 Gbps or 100 Gbps tomorrow? Will there be enough radio spectrum available? Fiber will have no problems as several Terabits have already been demonstrated in test equipment.


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I can download at 35mbs on a 4G hotspot from an Iphone, seems pretty good. When 5G is widely available with 1gbs it will be plenty fast for consumer applications. I don't see T/VZ investing too much in in wired internet services once 5G is rolled out, the field costs to deploy and maintain wireless service is peanuts compared to copper and fiber.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/7/18 at 8:24 pm to
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I can download at 35mbs on a 4G hotspot from an Iphone, seems pretty good. When 5G is widely available with 1gbs it will be plenty fast for consumer applications. I don't see T/VZ investing too much in in wired internet services once 5G is rolled out, the field costs to deploy and maintain wireless service is peanuts compared to copper and fiber.


Instead.. they'll just sue competitors out of existence and lobby for legislation to protect them
Posted by Scrowe
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 5:41 am to
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I can download at 35mbs on a 4G hotspot from an Iphone, seems pretty good. When 5G is widely available with 1gbs it will be plenty fast for consumer applications. I don't see T/VZ investing too much in in wired internet services once 5G is rolled out, the field costs to deploy and maintain wireless service is peanuts compared to copper and fiber.


You still have to get fiber to the tower and then there is the fact that when more consumers get on it there is a huge bottleneck in performance. Streaming services becoming more popular is continually crippling performance on equipment for even the most state of the art ISP's. Netflix's smart signal for example will eat up all available bandwidth if available to not have to deal with compression which doesn't seem like a big deal when the bandwidth is available at non peak times, but when entering into peak usage times and the signals aren't adjusting creates issues. Also it creates issues on ISP's that are upgrading equipment to help remove bottlenecks to turn the new hardware on to find that Netflix is eating up the new bandwidth they thought they would have as well.

Wireless isn't going to be some saving grace and every consumer on 5g will magically get 1gps down. It's going to fluctuate, then there is the constant battle as the seasons change of maintaining coverage without interference and whatnot. Many pains and logistics hurdles to the wireless market outside of leasing field spaces on towers and putting antennas up especially in rural areas.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 9:18 am to
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I can download at 35mbs on a 4G hotspot from an Iphone, seems pretty good. When 5G is widely available with 1gbs it will be plenty fast for consumer applications. I don't see T/VZ investing too much in in wired internet services once 5G is rolled out, the field costs to deploy and maintain wireless service is peanuts compared to copper and fiber.

First off, if the costs to deploy and maintain wireless were truly "peanuts" compared to copper and fiber, then our wireless service would already be cheaper than hard line internet to the home. It's not. In fact, it's an order of magnitude more expensive per byte delivered.

Second, if you think wireless is the solution to the root problem of lack of competition, I believe you are mistaken. Radio spectrum is a limited resource. We cannot create more. All we can do is divvy it up fairly, and that means via auction in a free market. The wireless market has a much smaller chance of being highly competitive than the wired market does. At least with fiber/wires, the only barriers to entry are costs and possibly local government. With wireless, there is the insurmountable barrier which is the laws of physics. Sure, tech has and will continue to find new ways to squeeze more bits into ever smaller bands of spectrum, but there is still a hard limit on what can be done. With physical cable, you can always lay more cable without worry of interference.
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