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Maria: Dow 24,000 and the Trump Boom

Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:06 am
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:06 am
Our favorite financial reporter with the boom in this weekend's WSJ:

LINK

quote:

The election night selloff turned out to be a huge buying opportunity. Companies had been sitting on cash—not investing or hiring. ObamaCare compliance was a nightmare for many business owners. It made them wonder what other big idea from Washington would haunt them in the future. Mrs. Clinton was likely to increase business costs further, while Mr. Trump had vowed to reduce them. Even in the middle of the election-night market panic, the implications for corporate revenue and earnings growth seemed obvious.


quote:

The next morning, with the Trump victory confirmed, I told my colleague Martha MacCallum that I would be “buying the stock market with both hands.” Investors began doing the same. U.S. markets have added $6 trillion in value since the election, with investors around the world wanting in on America’s new growth story. The Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta is now forecasting the third straight quarter of U.S. gross domestic product growth around 3%.


An important point:

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It’s not just an American growth story. For the first time in a long time the world is experiencing synchronized growth, which is why Goldman Sachs and Barclays among others have recently predicted 4% global growth in 2018. The entire world benefits when its largest economy is healthy, and the vibrancy overseas is reinforcing the U.S. resurgence.


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Year One has been nothing short of excellent from an economic standpoint. Corporate earnings have risen and corporate behavior has changed, measured in greater capital investment. Businesspeople tell me that a new approach to regulation is a big factor. During President Obama’s final year in office the Federal Register, which contains new and proposed rules and regulations, ran to 95,894 pages, according to a Competitive Enterprise Institute report. This was the highest level in its history and 19% higher than the previous year’s 80,260 pages. The American Action Forum estimates the last administration burdened the economy with 549 million hours of compliance, averaging nearly five hours of paperwork for every full-time employee.


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The Federal Register page count is down 32% this year. Mr. Trump says red tape becomes “beautiful” when it is eliminated, and people who manage businesses certainly agree.


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The prospect of tax relief is also raising expectations for growth, as the U.S. prepares to reduce the industrialized world’s highest corporate income tax rate. As with regulation, U.S. businesses don’t need to have the lightest burden; they only need one that’s competitive with the rest of the world.

As Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R., Texas) told me recently, when Washington simply “stops the beatings,” growth happens on its own. For too many years, U.S. businesses have seen mergers and acquisitions—or moving corporate headquarters out of the country for more attractive tax havens—as almost the only path to success. When a firm can’t achieve growth organically, it must acquire it. And when it faces a combined federal, state and local income tax rate of nearly 40% in America, it will often merge with a competitor in Ireland. Moving a company’s headquarters to Dublin means paying only 12.5%.


There's a lot more. Read the entire article.


Posted by TexasTiger89
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2005
26475 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:12 am to
This has been the best year in my entire 29 year career for my 401K. Seven more years of this and I will retire way better than I ever dreamed.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:14 am to
Can you imagine if we had eight years of this?

Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
56127 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:15 am to
quote:

U.S. markets have added $6 trillion in value since the election, with investors around the world wanting in on America’s new growth story. The Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta is now forecasting the third straight quarter of U.S. gross domestic product growth around 3%.


So, when someone in command knows the stock market and its functioning ways, then infusing real money, government bailouts, into a phony economy gets you exactly that - phony results.

Too bad our previous president had no idea how the stock market works and what can be accomplished by making the market your friend and not your enemy.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:19 am to
Truth. And Maria was being modest with her "around 3%" growth rate for Q4. This has been underreported this weekend, but we could even be closer to 4%. Here's Maria's old employer:

LINK
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:28 am to
and if you lookup by state results for the 2nd quarter (they lag a qtr so that is the latest available), the overall growth was 3% even though CA, IL, and NY lagged significantly below that.

Just crawl them up to 3% in spite of their shite policies and 4% is going to be easy.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:35 am to
Yup. He should be pretty close to 3% real for 2017 as a whole, and that includes the lackluster 1.2% rate in 1Q. I think there's a good chance we'll hit a full calendar year of 3%+ growth in 2018, cementing Obama as the only President not to achieve that.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
94124 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:49 am to
The market is going to 40k maybe 50k before the next crash
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 9:04 am to
quote:

This has been the best year in my entire 29 year career for my 401K. Seven more years of this and I will retire way better than I ever dreamed.


I don't have a hell of a lot of stock, but I have has doubled in value since January.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 9:05 am
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33006 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 9:36 am to
I'm sure Obama and his lackeys will be along soon to take credit for this.
Posted by TigerCoon
Member since Nov 2005
22466 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 10:23 am to
one point that was only mentioned in passing is ongoing real regulatory reform. MSM is barely reporting it, but it is huge. MAGA.
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
18510 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:13 am to
I'm wondering if this keeps up if there will be a bubble created and subsequent adjustment.
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:31 am to
quote:

I'm wondering if this keeps up if there will be a bubble created and subsequent adjustment

We are already in THE bubble.

Bush did about $1 trillion in QE and bailed out all the big banks and wirehouses (see Too Big to Fail). Then Obama did another $5 trillion in QE and bailed out 980 companies and banks.

Our M2 Money Supply was at $6 Trillion before this. That $6 trillion of QE doubled our M2. BUT, Obama and his Fed Res boards forcibly held inflation at rock bottom instead of raising it accordingly with the QE additions.

Inflation only went up 14% in a period where currency in circulation was doubled. THAT is how you create a bubble.

If Hillary would have won, the stock market would have stayed flat (very volatile between 17,000-18,000), and GDP would have hung around 1.5%. She would have continued to deficit spend and drive up the debt considerably.

We would have hit $22-$23 trillion in debt by end of 2018 and likely been ratings downgraded again. This would have probably dropped the stock market 5000+ points and forced the Fed Res to start raising interest rates 2-2.5% per year to make up for lack of Fed revenue, and we'd be sitting at 8-10% interest rates by 2019. And still rising.

And even with doing that, the inflation bubble might have burst, because companies would be hurting so bad they would have had to raise prices significantly to stay revenue flush. Meanwhile, the dollar worldwide would be losing value significantly on exchange rates.

It would have been ugly. But because of Trumps policies and all the economic prosperity underway, they have been able to gradually raise interest rates a quarter every quarter and slowly catch up pace with true inflation, staving off the inflation/interest rate/currency bubble.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 11:33 am
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
18510 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:47 am to
Nice read. Thx.

So your suggesting the market is catching up and not running away from the true state of the economy?

I'm no economist. Just trying to keep it in simple terms.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 12:23 pm to
No picture of the large "Bartiromos"?
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
19373 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

Too bad our previous president had no idea how the stock market


But, but Obama was the smartest President ever...
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 1:04 pm to
quote:

It would have been ugly. But because of Trumps policies and all the economic prosperity underway, they have been able to gradually raise interest rates a quarter every quarter and slowly catch up pace with true inflation, staving off the inflation/interest rate/currency bubble.



Raising the rates also gives us some leeway to lower them in the future if needed. The Fed Funds rate stayed at 0.25% from Dec 16,2008 to Dec 17, 2015. That is the floor.

It was only raised twice in the entire Obama administration. It has already been raised 3 times this year.
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 2:12 pm to
quote:

Nice read. Thx.

So your suggesting the market is catching up and not running away from the true state of the economy?

I'm no economist. Just trying to keep it in simple terms.

No. I'm sayin we were dangerously teetering on a massive economic collapse based on an inflation bubble AND the prospect of our credit rating being downgraded again, but Trump's agenda has literally saved us from this happening.

No Lefty here (or even in this country) can name something Hillary ran on or would have done that would have raised GDP, created tax revenue growth, cut deficit spending, increased the Labor Participation Rate, increased consumer and business confidence, and spurned reason to invest in the stock market.

Quite the contrary, actually.

Lefties are ignorant about how QE saved Obama. His agenda and policies were terrible for our economy. The economy came out of the Housing/Lending Crisis caused recession IN SPITE of Obama's business stifling agenda only because he borrowed $5 trillion new dollars printed out of thin air from The Fed and bailed out nearly 1,000 companies and banks, and then deficit spent another $6 trillion above tax revenues on top of this.

The DJIA went from 8,000 to 17,000 between Jan 2009 - Nov 2016 because that's what happens when GDP is $20 trillion, but you freaking spend $31 trillion, and double the M2 money supply by fabricating $5 trillion, while artificially holding inflation and interest rates at rock bottom.

That's a recipe for disaster. It's completely unsustainable. But can you or anyone here think of a single thing Hillary would have done to fix that?

How was she going to increase tax revenues, cut deficit spending, increase GDP, and inspire economic growth? What was she going to do different from Obama?

The answer is nothing.

The only solution to all that was doing exactly what Trump is doing. Cutting thousands of regulations, cutting foreign spending, cutting corporate and personal tax rates, repatriation of overseas dollars, defunding Obamacare, reducing immigration, renegotiating trade deals and eliminating trade deficits, reducing corporate inversions and making deals with companies to bring business to the US and invest in our country, and get us out of stupid shite like climate accords and giving billions to foreign entities for crap that doesn't help us (i.e. implementing an America First priority agenda).
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 6:35 am to
Solid string of posts.

Obama kept the marathon going, but he did so by snorting cocaine and using PEDs.

The Obama years, in addition to being the only not to hit 3% real GDP, will also be remembered for creating the largest divergence between stock market performance and true economic performance.

It's nothing short of a miracle the bubble didn't burst, and until Trump got elected, no one envisioned "growing ourselves into line with the market" would even be an option.

At the risk of oversimplifying, Trump is causing the "E" in the famous P/E Ratio to catch up to the "P," even as the "P" continues to go up.
Posted by starsandstripes
Georgia
Member since Nov 2017
11897 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 6:49 am to
I like tan lines


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