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re: It's interesting that so many have missed what the battle concerning NN is about
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:37 am to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:37 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Even some major areas still offer two legit choices and if they are only Comcast and Cox you are fricked As for 5G, that is not a permanent solution over a wired connection.
You need to understand that wireless is the endgame. Will there still be fiber? Sure but the traditional wired ISP connection to the residential customer is going bye bye over the next 5-10 years and probably sooner.
It’s all about the field costs for fixed wireline/cable vs wireless, wireless has been estimated to cost 10% of what wireline/cable costs to maintain. You tell me what’s going to be the prevalent method for internet distribution, 5G is capable of 1 gig download speeds. Hell I get 35 meg download speeds on my IPhone hotspot. Lol!
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Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:39 am to CorporateTiger
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Weve has this debate enough already. I get that you are ready to have Comcast and AT&T determining what you get to see
Lazy argument
I Don't like either of those companies.
quote:You want to make regulation based on exactly that. How do you seriously not see that at least?
I think that making policy based on how you project the technology to develop is ridiculous for things like this
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With that I’m done here.
Made ZERO attempt to even contemplate 2 to 3 steps after your what ifs.
Sad
Posted on 11/26/17 at 9:41 am to CorporateTiger
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Nothin like policy-making based on the hopeful growth of technology.
Why not let the tech develop into a true competitor then change policy based on real not hypothetical technology.
Shorty's view on NN is predicated on technology that has yet to be proven and still years and years away at least. Right now, we have few broadband choices and a non-NN world will yield them even more power than they already have. I'm all for changing the entire regulatory environment, but we can't just remove NN from the equation.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:00 am to CorporateTiger
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Weve has this debate enough already
You progs are so predictable... can't make am argument? It's over! No more discussion! Wah! Wah!
Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:05 am to cahoots
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Shorty's view on NN is predicated on technology that has yet to be proven and still years and years away at least.
I remember the FCC using this excuse for keeping direct broadcast satellite off the market for two decades. This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 10:06 am
Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:21 am to Taxing Authority
quote:LOL
I remember the FCC using this excuse for keeping direct broadcast satellite off the market for two decades.
I remember the govt thinking it was unlikely that Netflix would compete anytime soon with blockbuster........in 2005!!! ROFLMAO
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 10:22 am
Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:23 am to Bass Tiger
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You need to understand that wireless is the endgame. Will there still be fiber? Sure but the traditional wired ISP connection to the residential customer is going bye bye over the next 5-10 years and probably sooner.
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It’s all about the field costs for fixed wireline/cable vs wireless, wireless has been estimated to cost 10% of what wireline/cable costs to maintain. You tell me what’s going to be the prevalent method for internet distribution, 5G is capable of 1 gig download speeds. Hell I get 35 meg download speeds on my IPhone hotspot. Lol!
A good internet connection is not just about download speed. It also includes upload speed, latency, QoS, and connection stability.
All those are better with a wired connection.
Also wireless gets extremely degraded after 20GB or so even with an ultimated data plan.
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 10:26 am
Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:29 am to StraightCashHomey21
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A good internet connection is not just about download speed. It also includes upload speed, latency, QoS, and connection stability.
All those are better with a wired connection.
Also wireless gets extremely degraded after 20GB or so even with an ultimated data plan
So what exactly?
You STILL don't understand competition.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:32 am to ShortyRob
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So what exactly?
You STILL don't understand competition.
The two won’t be equal competition
If a wireless connection can’t offer the same QoS as a wired connection now will it.
Don’t be one of those people that think Hughesnet is satellite internet is comparable to Cox.
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 10:34 am
Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:32 am to StraightCashHomey21
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It also includes upload speed, latency, QoS, and connection stability.
All those are better with a wired connection.
Currently, and in those rural areas you like to use as some inane gotcha latency, upload speed, and CS decrease the farther the run
Moreover QoS is a comparative metric, not measurable so I'm unsure how your using the quality of service term here.
Perhaps if you tell us where you're copy pasta from we can just go the source. Maybe just give the name of your PR firm
Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:36 am to StraightCashHomey21
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The two won’t be equal competition
Equal competition isn't required for competition to exist
For frick sake. You throw darts about people's tech ability and then post economic stupidity.
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 10:37 am
Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:36 am to CptBengal
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Currently, and in those rural areas you like to use as some inane gotcha latency, upload speed, and CS decrease the farther the run
A simple fiber to cabinet solution which cuts down the last mile significantly can fix problems in rural towns.
quote:QoS is very measurable, that’s why business plans have them in the contract that ISPs have to maintain a certain up time.
Moreover QoS is a comparative metric, not measurable so I'm unsure how your using the quality of service term here
quote:. And this is how I know you are not winning this argument.
Perhaps if you tell us where you're copy pasta from we can just go the source. Maybe just give the name of your PR firm
Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:39 am to CptBengal
Watching some of you try to discuss net neutrality sure is fun.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:40 am to StraightCashHomey21
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A simple fiber to cabinet solution which cuts down the last mile significantly can fix problems in rural towns.
So now we need more taxpayer subsidised infrastructure to increase the monopoly and increase barrier to entry?
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QoS is very measurable, that’s why business plans have them in the contract that ISPs have to maintain a certain up time.
In comparison to ANOTHER NETWORK. lol. Seriously are you stupid? QoS is the sum of the other measurable compared to ANOTHER NETWORK.
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And this is how I know you are not winning this argument.
You don't even understand your reply was idiotic.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:44 am to CptBengal
quote:Notwithstanding anything else, Homeys understanding of economics and business is not even junior high level.
You don't even understand your reply was idiotic.
It's impossible to even TRY to discuss those subjects with him in a substantive manner
Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:49 am to CptBengal
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So now we need more taxpayer subsidised infrastructure to increase the monopoly and increase barrier to entry?
ISPs already have the tax payer money and did nothing with them.
quote:for fricks sake I explained to you how it is a measurable
In comparison to ANOTHER NETWORK. lol. Seriously are you stupid? QoS is the sum of the other measurable compared to ANOTHER NETWORK.
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don't even understand your reply was idiotic.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:51 am to ShortyRob
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Notwithstanding anything else, Homeys understanding of economics and business is not even junior high level.
It's impossible to even TRY to discuss those subjects with him in a substantive manner
Says the guy who thinks we have a free market with ISPs
Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:53 am to StraightCashHomey21
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ISPs already have the tax payer money and did nothing with them.
Holy shite you're really this stupid.
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for fricks sake I explained to you how it is a measurable
Sarong it's in a business plan isn't saying it's measured. Good God.
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don't even understand your reply was idiotic.
This one's actually even more stupid
Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:54 am to NC_Tigah
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The problem I have with NN is we are only in this position because our government awarded local monopolies. Sans that, there would be no NN dialogue.
This is what needs to be taken from all this. NN is only a thing because of government picking winners and losers.
I would prefer us deregulate the industry entirely, but we won't do that.
Posted on 11/26/17 at 10:54 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:Not a necessary condition. It’s like saying McDonald’s isn’t a competitor in the restaurant business because Chez Stucup is so much better.
The two won’t be equal competition
This post was edited on 11/26/17 at 10:56 am
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