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re: Breaking news on Fusion hearing today
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:34 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:34 pm to Pettifogger
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I just cannot see how you're pinning that part on Tapper unless it's untrue, and I have no reason to think it is.
The fact it's a laughably stupid assertation is a reason.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:34 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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The IC briefing the president elect on foreign produced opposition research isn’t news.
I appreciate your perspective, but I disagree. I think both it and the dossier are definitely news.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:35 pm to Jjdoc
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Glenn Simpson, who founded Fusion in 2011, also acknowledged to the House panel that he did not verify information in the uncorroborated and salacious dossier before briefing reporters on its contents during the campaign
Wait, so is Simpson saying he leaked the dossier to the press? When he says "briefed" does he mean "talking" or does he mean he made copies and passed them out?
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:35 pm to Turbeauxdog
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The fact it's a laughably stupid assertation is a reason.
Saying the President was briefed on it is "laughably stupid"
On what basis?
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:35 pm to Pettifogger
quote:If that’s the case then I’m apparently to believe that no other president elect has ever been briefed on foreign produced opposition research by the Intelligence Community before and that it was such an unprecedented event that it must be reported on.
I appreciate your perspective, but I disagree. I think both it and the dossier are definitely news.
This post was edited on 11/15/17 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:37 pm to Pettifogger
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Saying the President was briefed on it is "laughably stupid
Keep pivoting, it let's me know you're losing.
The idea Russians were attempting to compromise him with the dossier.
This post was edited on 11/15/17 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:38 pm to Pettifogger
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Saying the President was briefed on it is "laughably stupid"
1. The contents of the dossier were “laughably stupid.”
2. It wasn’t Tapper’s intent to simply make the public aware of the fact that Trump was briefed. The reason he reported on it was to draw attention back to the crumbling Russian collusion narrative while at the same time knowing that a bottom feeder would print it.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:39 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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If that’s the case then I’m apparently to believe that no other president elect has ever been briefed on foreign produced opposition research by the Intelligence Community before and that it was such an unprecedented event that it must be reported on.
If salacious stuff was out there about any other politician floated by a foreign power, and the IC briefed the pol on it, I'd find it newsworthy.
Not sure what else I can say. You can say it's a double standard and perhaps I'd agree with that, but I can only hypothesize about what we'd be comparing it to
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:41 pm to Pettifogger
quote:The media apparently believes otherwise.
If salacious stuff was out there about any other politician floated by a foreign power, and the IC briefed the pol on it, I'd find it newsworthy.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:42 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Keep pivoting, it let's me know you're losing.
I'm literally typing your own words back to you
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The idea Russians were attempting to compromise him with the dossier.
Tapper is saying Trump was told that, was Tapper wrong? I'm seriously asking. You're annoying as frick by the way, by continually being evasive and shifting your argument all while claiming someone else is "pivoting"
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:44 pm to Pettifogger
quote:It was Tapper’s I rent that was unethical. The existence of the dossier was well known to the media for weeks if not months prior to it being reported on. If they truly found it newsworthy and credible they wouldn’t have waited to report on it.
Tapper is saying Trump was told that, was Tapper wrong?
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:47 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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It was Tapper’s I rent that was unethical. The existence of the dossier was well known to the media for weeks if not months prior to it being reported on. If they truly found it newsworthy and credible they wouldn’t have waited to report on it.
think there is an auto correct error in there or something, I'm not following
Posted on 11/15/17 at 9:37 pm to Pettifogger
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I don't remember specifics about what Buzzfeed said but I know CNN et al were over the top with the "we can't verify, we're only releasing bc Buzzfeed did" stuff
Look, if you can't remember that CNN was running daily, constant programming focused on "what does this all mean" detailed discussions of each bullet-point on the dodgy dossier, then there really isn't much to talk about with you.
Almost every single time they mentioned the document, they would say something similar to, "We have not had the time to verify this document." They would then add, "But these allegations are so salacious and damning that we would not be doing our jobs of bringing you the news if we did not point out how incredibly bad of a person Trump must be if any of these items are true." At any rate, it was fuel to non-stop attack Trump.
If you don't remember it that way, then you are a damn liar or an unfortunate imbecile.
Choose one.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 9:51 pm to Floating Change Up
That's a lot of mad text that simply establishes my original premise.
The most salacious parts of the dossier were immediately disregarded by almost everyone, and made for a solid week of twitter jokes. The meeting allegations were treated more seriously, and I have no qualm with that, as I believe the dossier's existence, and to some extent the content, was newsworthy.
I'm uninterested in whatever dumb choice you're trying to force me into in some unremarkable defense of Trump (who isn't under attack by me in this thread).
The most salacious parts of the dossier were immediately disregarded by almost everyone, and made for a solid week of twitter jokes. The meeting allegations were treated more seriously, and I have no qualm with that, as I believe the dossier's existence, and to some extent the content, was newsworthy.
I'm uninterested in whatever dumb choice you're trying to force me into in some unremarkable defense of Trump (who isn't under attack by me in this thread).
Posted on 11/15/17 at 10:12 pm to Pettifogger
quote:Your original premise is that you didn't remember any of the media discussing the dossier.
establishes my original premise.
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I'm uninterested in whatever dumb choice you're trying to force me into in some unremarkable defense of Trump (who isn't under attack by me in this thread).
I'm glad you recognize that the choice I was giving you was empty (and not truly meant). My point in adding it was to highlight exactly what the news media was doing with the Trump Dossier.
CNN, especially, was 24/7 pounding it's viewers with 2 empty choices: The Trump Dossier is all fabricated and made up, or it is all valid and real. And their talking heads made no effort to hide which choice they wanted its viewers to make.
After months and months of CNN reporting about how inferior and such a bad guy Trump is -- what impact did that dossier and CNN giving its viewers such an empty choice have?
It did exactly what every successful propaganda machine does -- It gave the people that already disliked Trump a "valid" reason to dislike him even more.
And for the record, I'm bashing CNN here, but they are not the only network guilty of pushing the agenda.
Also, none of my statements are in defense of Trump. You implied that the dossier was news worthy even-though it is bullshite and had not been verified by anyone. You also implied that the discussion of bullshite had no negative impact on Trump.
I obviously have a differing opinion.
ETA: "that's a lot of mad text"... look, I am able to think coherently and communicate in complete sentences. I also am capable of typing very fast. I don't consider any of these capabilities as making me mad.
This post was edited on 11/15/17 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 11/15/17 at 10:19 pm to Pettifogger
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did any media entity present it as fact?
Posted on 11/15/17 at 10:33 pm to Floating Change Up
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Also, none of my statements are in defense of Trump. You implied that the dossier was news worthy even-though it is bullshite and had not been verified by anyone. You also implied that the discussion of bullshite had no negative impact on Trump.
I obviously have a differing opinion.
My starting position is that I remember CNN "reluctantly" releasing the dossier's content. You can call that reluctance theater, and I might agree. I do not recall considerable energy devoted by CNN (or anyone else) toward convincing the American people that the content should be deemed credible. The one partial exception to that would be the meetings, which media outlets sought to verify/debunk.
I respect the position, as stated previously, that the dossier wasn't newsworthy. But I disagree, particularly with the benefit of hindsight. If the end here is to point out media hypocrisy, then we're at least partially aligned. My argument is that the dossier is regularly used to support that position (media hypocrisy) in a way that I do not find to be very truthful.
I think it does no good to gloss over the truth or exaggerate when trying to point out similar flaws in the media, and that is what I'm contesting in threads like these. It's not a defense of the media, it's my small rebellion against knee jerk reactions, false dichotomies, etc.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 11:36 pm to Pettifogger
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I'm challenging falsehoods
Np you are not. We all know it and have seen it for over a year from you.
Its not a falsehood that this guy is now on record saying he was pissed about the investigation into Hillary.
Its not a falsehood that the guy stated the dossier was not verified.
In both, he was under oath and is co-operating because theu are busted. This is the guy who took the 5th and when he knew there was no other out..... testified.
And for your own honor, stop with the "they didnt present it as fact" they presented it to cause harm. I can poibt out many on here that took it as fact. They all presented it as "some parts are verified"
Are you not sick of this shite tearing the USA a part?
Posted on 11/15/17 at 11:43 pm to Pettifogger
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The dossier is newsworthy
Was it? Lol. It was fake, mot verified by a guy who was pissed about an investigation into Hillary!
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