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re: The melt begins! Uranium One

Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:28 pm to
Posted by marklsu
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2008
1476 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:28 pm to
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Not a crime


A crime.

Soliciting a foreign government for a campaign contribution.....
It's been adjudicated: Assets like lists or information can be seen as a contribution.

He also is an accomplice, whether witting or unwitting to the trafficking of stolen material.

Posted by marklsu
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2008
1476 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:34 pm to
Would just like to point out...

Breaking tonight: Tilerson and Trump Administration just gave the rights and contract for security over US government buildings in Russia to a former KGB official who now runs a security firm. This same official is directly tied to the US Embassy scandal that Reagan exposed where the Russians had bugged the US Embassy in Russia. Resulted in us leaving the embassy.

Direct example of Trump administration giving Russia (our geopolitical foe) access and ability to profit at the expense of America's geopolitical and foreign policy interests.

[link=(NY Times)]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/14/world/europe/embassy-moscow-kgb.html[/link]


Russian company records show that Mr. Budanov, who retired from espionage in 1992 after becoming upset by Russia’s direction under its first post-Soviet leader, Boris N. Yeltsin, is a former minority owner of at least three of Elite’s branches — in Moscow, in the Volga region and in western Russia. Records indicate that he no longer holds any ownership stake, but Kommersant, a Russian business newspaper, has reported that the company’s head office in Moscow is run by his son, Dimitri.

Elite Security, reached by telephone in Moscow, declined to comment on the role in the company of Mr. Budanov and his son.

Marines will continue to guard American diplomatic missions, but tasks previously handled by local guards hired directly by the embassy in Moscow, like screening visitors, will be taken over Elite Security employees. Hiring guards directly allowed closer monitoring of their backgrounds, but any Russian working for an American diplomatic mission, no matter how closely screened, is vulnerable to pressure from Russia’s state security apparatus.

Local guards are mostly restricted to the perimeter of diplomatic compounds and do not generally have access to secure areas.

An official note about the no-bid contract posted on a United States government website says that American companies had been contacted about taking on the security job in Russia but that “no U.S. firm has been located with the requisite licensing or desire to operate in-country.” It added that, among Russian companies that could do such work, only Elite Security had established operations and licenses to operate in the four cities where American missions needed guards.

The note said that Russia’s decision to insist on personnel cuts at American diplomatic missions in Moscow and elsewhere had created a “compelling urgency” to find new guards, and that doing so through a commercial contract was “the only available option.”

“This is very good for us,” said Mikhail Lyubimov, a former K.G.B. spy who knew Mr. Budanov from their time together in the Soviet intelligence service. “If I were the chief there, I would never do this for a very clear reason,” he said, adding that the Russian Embassy in Washington would not put security in the hands of an American company known to have ties to the C.I.A.

Like many former Soviet security officers, Mr. Budanov went into the private sector after the collapse of communism in the Soviet Union in 1991. He formed a joint venture with Gerard P. Burke, who was once assistant director of the National Security Agency, and headed the Moscow office of Parvus International, a business intelligence firm in Silver Spring, Md., founded by Mr. Burke, that employed former C.I.A., K.G.B. and Soviet-bloc agents.

Mr. Budanov started out in Soviet intelligence in the 1960s as a lowly officer whose work included buying food and other provisions for Kim Philby, the notorious British double agent who defected to Moscow in 1963 and died there in 1988.

In the late 1960s, Mr. Budanov was posted by the K.G.B. to Britain, which expelled him in 1971 as part of a mass clean-out of those suspected of spying for the Soviet Union.

He then rose to head the K Directorate of the K.G.B., a sprawling division that hunted for double agents recruited by the West and sought to penetrate the C.I.A. and other hostile foreign agencies. Toward the end of his espionage career, he worked for the K.G.B. in East Germany, serving there during the same period as Mr. Putin, who was then a junior K.G.B. officer in Dresden.

In interviews with Russian news media, Mr. Budanov declined to discuss his time working with Mr. Putin but has voiced great admiration for his former colleague’s subsequent role as president, crediting him with saving Russia from the chaos of Mr. Yeltsin’s rule.

In a 2007 interview, Mr. Budanov claimed credit for helping to expose Oleg Gordievsky, a Soviet diplomat based in London, as a British spy, but he denied that the K.G.B. assassinated people suspected of being traitors during his time in service. Mr. Gordievsky, who was recalled to Russia in 1985 to face almost certain execution, escaped to the West while under investigation and later wrote a book in which he described Mr. Budanov as one of the K.G.B.’s most dangerous men.

Mr. Budanov said that being referred to in that way by “an enemy agent” had “helped me back then, and it still helps me do my work today.”
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 8:37 pm
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
49158 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:36 pm to
I knew shills like you would be petrified when the real special counsel is about to be appointed, just hope it’s Ted Cruz
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48935 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:37 pm to
Cite the case (there is only one) where information has been considered something of value in violation of campaign laws. Let's see if you can distinguish.

Then reconcile that against the standard that the law is to be liberally construed in favor of the accused.

You say it's been adjudicated. Let's hear your argument.


My guess is you are lazily repeating a talking point because you so badly want it to be true.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 8:39 pm
Posted by Floating Change Up
Member since Dec 2013
11868 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:52 pm to
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But at the end of the day, they are no longer in a position of power.


Very few people in today's jails for treason are and/or were in a position of power.

So, I'm not sure I get your point. Are you advocating putting them in jail, or are you against it?
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
49158 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:53 pm to
You are shilling so hard
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24921 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:04 pm to
If President Trump had received $140M from some Russians and said that it was innocent and above board, the Dems would be having a fit.

This whole "9 people approved it" excuse is laughable. Look who the 9 people were. None of them would oppose her on this deal.

The Clintons are lawyers. They would know how to do the deal without making it look illegal.

I just can't get past the $140M. Something is wrong here. That's like me selling a Ford Focus for a half million dollars. It doesn't add up.

Is there enough evidence to require a special counsel? Not yet...
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48935 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:06 pm to
If she offered aid to an enemy of the us there is no statute of limitations. You are the one that said they were an enemy of the us.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:16 pm to
quote:

Would just like to point out...

Breaking tonight: Tilerson and Trump Administration just gave the rights and contract for security over US government buildings in Russia to a former KGB official who now runs a security firm. This same official is directly tied to the US Embassy scandal that Reagan exposed where the Russians had bugged the US Embassy in Russia. Resulted in us leaving the embassy.

Just so you know, this is absolutely nothing.
Posted by Cruiserhog
Little Rock
Member since Apr 2008
10460 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:31 pm to
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Define debunked. Are you saying our Uranium wasn’t sold told to a Russian firm with close ties to the Kremlin? Because that’s what you’re implying.


Also when did Russia become our enemy? Just curious


we got a Russian troll here people, GeauxxxTigers23 is a russian agent. I bet your shilling arse bought some ads on here and facebook, you trifilin trollagent.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80548 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:33 pm to
But I’m sure you think Uranium One is, right?
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48935 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:35 pm to
Tighten the tin foil psycho.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:37 pm to
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But I’m sure you think Uranium One is, right?


You can go back and read my posts on Uranium 1 over the past page and a half or so to get my thoughts on it. Needless to say, if Uranium One is nothing because it was above board by the letter of the law then this certainly is too.


And considering that exterior security at every embassy in the world is handled by locals this is beyond any shadow of any reasonable doubt this is 100% legal and above board.
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