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re: Trump is offering a way out to NK.

Posted on 11/8/17 at 6:24 am to
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67524 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 6:24 am to
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And it is....?

Take the nuke deal or get the frick blown out of you
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35509 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 6:31 am to
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Even CNN was praising Trump's speech initially.

Then they got their talking points and it was wall to wall parroting the exact same points bashing Trump and how dark and divisive he is.
Didn't he follow up that speech with the "Obama is a sick man" meltdown?
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35509 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 6:32 am to
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And it is....?
Putin hasn't told him yet.
Posted by SlapahoeTribe
Tiger Nation
Member since Jul 2012
12126 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 7:09 am to
NK is in an interesting place right now. The current leader is far more like his grandfather than his father. That’s a good thing. He’s foreign educated and is, for the first time in a generation, actually working to “modernize” parts of his society. That too is a good thing.

I’m in no way defending the guy, he’s probably doing this more out of self preservation than anything altruistic - he has to win over his people. His grandfather had the revolution, his father the Cold War and its associated conflicts, he has zero military background. He was also hurriedly thrust into his position years before his father had intended. Therefore he does not have the backing of his generals; and the military is a huge part of the regime’s power. So, he’s having to win over his people (largely by westernizing farming and market practices) and stave off his military heirachy (largely by pounding his chest on the international stage).

Make no mistake, almost all of the military dick measuring we're seeing with nuclear missiles from NK is for show. The US intelligence community has stated for years that if NK really wanted to strike us, then they could have done so by infiltration via our ports or open borders - missiles aren’t necessary. This bravado from NK is only serving two purposes: to show his own people that he too is a “military leader” (which is likely working) and to establish himself on the global stage as someone to be respected (his second point probably isn’t going over as well as he intended only because of Trump - Hillary and Obama have/would have rolled over and given him more money/aid without question. Trump isn’t playing into his hand though.).

There is a real possibility that little Kim will westernize NK significantly over the next 10, 20, 30 years. He’s certainly the lesser of two evils: he or one of his generals. But the very last thing we want is another Iran where a western-ish leader is deposed in favor of a far more radical regime.

Trump is very smart in giving him an out - an out that allows little Kim to maintain power and look good to his people. Winning points with him will probably go a long way to being able to influence him in the years to come. This is a very good thing. After all, revolutionizing NK can’t happen overnight.

But that’s just my complicated and humble opinion.
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
14843 posts
Posted on 11/8/17 at 9:20 am to
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How many years,since anybody called it out?



It is an open well known fact that he is a mad man who doesn't care about his people. This isn't one of those issues that has been hiding beneath the surface and needs attention, everyone knows.
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