My subtlety to everything i said was, who were we bidding against? Why'd we have to give him 5/125? was somebody else going to do that, b/c it doesn't appear anyone would have done anything near that.
There obviously wasn't some huge market for non-elite players this offseason when you see really good players settling for 3 year deals, and some of them having to resort to 1 year deals b/c no one wants to give them the multi year deal they were expecting to get.

Was there truly a team out there wanting to give Jrue anywhere near that much money? Just like with Asik, who were we bidding with? Who were we trying to keep him from going to? Where we so scared of losing him for nothing that we offered him a retarded amount so early hoping he wouldn't even explore the market?

Do we really think Philly would have given him that contract? i don't.
Maybe the knicks would have, doing a S&T.
There were other teams with cap space that could have signed him, Atlanta, Brooklyn, Chicago, Denver, Indy, LAC, LAL, Miami, Phoenix, Sacto, Utah. How many of those teams had any interest in signing a PG, or Jrue?
Most of those teams either didn't need a PG, or weren't in a position to want to give out long term contracts b/c they are rebuilding.

As i said, it's easy to sit here not in the GM's office, after all is said and done, and second guess everything, but what if you don't offer him anything at first and see what the market dictates? we might have gotten away with 3/60.

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Posted by ShamelessPel

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Posted on 11/6/17 at 4:40 pm to TeddyPadillac

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My subtlety to everything i said was, who were we bidding against? Why'd we have to give him 5/125? was somebody else going to do that, b/c it doesn't appear anyone would have done anything near that.
There obviously wasn't some huge market for non-elite players this offseason when you see really good players settling for 3 year deals, and some of them having to resort to 1 year deals b/c no one wants to give them the multi year deal they were expecting to get.

Jrue and his agent leaked out all the "he's not coming back" stuff if you recall. It's not so much, "who were we bidding against" as much as making Dell believe if he let him out of the room without a big deal that he wouldn't be coming back. Demps got played.

This post was edited on 11/6/17 at 4:41 pm

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Posted by TigerinATL

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Posted on 11/6/17 at 4:57 pm to TeddyPadillac

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My subtlety to everything i said was, who were we bidding against? Why'd we have to give him 5/125

Al Horford left Atlanta because they wouldn't give him the full 5 year max. They only partially guaranteed the 5th year. Atlanta offered him more guarnateed money than Boston could but he still left and he said he'd have stayed if they guaranteed the full 5th year.

When you're the home team and a player and you're not giving them everything you can you're basically saying no. Whereas the team making a competing offer that gets to that point is obviously telling them things that they want to hear.

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what if you don't offer him anything at first and see what the market dictates?

That's probably considered disrespectful. I remember hearing a few years back that Morey got blacklisted with some agents because he never offered early extensions and always let the market decide. Obviously Morey found ways to make that not matter, but it does suggest that playing hardball with your own player that you want to keep can come with complications.

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