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For the people who actually played the game...
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:51 pm
How difficult is it to pick up a new playbook or offensive/defensive scheme.
Just find it hard to believe that this team is having that much difficulty learning the new scheme.
Curious to get some thoughts from previous players.
Just find it hard to believe that this team is having that much difficulty learning the new scheme.
Curious to get some thoughts from previous players.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:54 pm to Lightzout87
Depends on the scheme. Good coaches scheme around their talent.
Here's my biggest issue why what O is doing to Canada-
After State he eliminated tempo. These are when you get most of your busted coverages/assignments. Cheap yards
Going max protect when the box is loaded actually hurts your Olineman, especially the young guys. This allows exoctic blitzes to me much more effective and with less options for the QB, you have to hold your block longer.
Eliminating the shifts drives me nuts, as a QB, you can identify the defense by their movement. Makes checking into a run or pass very simple. As an OC you can pick up tendencys. Look at Devin White on D. He knows the O's play before they run it. The same principal can be applied to offense. Also you can shift and move without making your right tackle and guard moving.
O has nuetered Canadas offense because he doesn't know what the fuch he's doing.
Here's my biggest issue why what O is doing to Canada-
After State he eliminated tempo. These are when you get most of your busted coverages/assignments. Cheap yards
Going max protect when the box is loaded actually hurts your Olineman, especially the young guys. This allows exoctic blitzes to me much more effective and with less options for the QB, you have to hold your block longer.
Eliminating the shifts drives me nuts, as a QB, you can identify the defense by their movement. Makes checking into a run or pass very simple. As an OC you can pick up tendencys. Look at Devin White on D. He knows the O's play before they run it. The same principal can be applied to offense. Also you can shift and move without making your right tackle and guard moving.
O has nuetered Canadas offense because he doesn't know what the fuch he's doing.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:54 pm to Lightzout87
I often wonder this myself. Granted I never played last the HS level but when you listen to these talking heads in TV or on the radio, they act like these offenses and defenses are so compicated that only a MENSA member can learn them.
I don't the average football player or even coach is that smart.
I don't the average football player or even coach is that smart.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:02 pm to Lightzout87
I played defense, and it wasn't overly difficult. Terminology and changing positions can get confusing especially during the game.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:10 pm to Lightzout87
Coaching coaching coaching , that's the bottom line.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:16 pm to Solo Cam
I agree to an extent bc motion determines man or zone and although it helps the QB, it has done nothing but confuse our own O line.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:17 pm to Lightzout87
I played both o-line and d-line. If the coaches present it correctly then its not all that hard to pick up a new offense. Fundamentals don't change regardless. Still have to block and tackle. Fundamentals are a coaching function. If you haven't taught the basics you can't build on anything.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:23 pm to RxHunter
quote:bingo
Fundamentals don't change regardless. Still have to block and tackle. Fundamentals are a coaching function. If you haven't taught the basics you can't build on anything.
The foundation is weakening by the minute
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:24 pm to memphis tiger
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I often wonder this myself. Granted I never played last the HS level but when you listen to these talking heads in TV or on the radio, they act like these offenses and defenses are so compicated that only a MENSA member can learn them.
You onlyneed to be able to count to 7. McElroy diagramed some of LSUs run plays against Troy they were running into spaces with unaccounted defenders (i.e. 5 blockers and 6 defenders) often. This why the plays look like busted plays. Every offensive hat has a corresponding defensive hat but that leaves one or two unaccounted guys to make the play and they often did.
One such play was a red zone run from the 5 yd line. DW was hit 3 yds deep in backfield by unaccounted Lb. Stupid play design or poor read?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:28 pm to Lightzout87
On offense, allot of it comes down to the capability of your qb. It seems we have had a bad run of qb's who either can't read the coverage or can't make the throws if they can read the coverage. We are always waiting on the next guy who can do it. Meanwhile, nearly every other college seems to find that guy every year.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:49 pm to Lightzout87
As a pro Madden player, I can speak from experience and say it's really easy. You just have to change the playbook and check to see where the X's and O's are going.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:02 pm to Lightzout87
It actually falls on the head coach honestly. If he doesn't give you the time needed to learn a new system by practice, film study from that coordinators previous stop, or the differences in terminology then it's very difficult. But in gerenal with the superior talent that LSU has this shouldn't be an issue.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:11 pm to Lightzout87
Honestly Its mostly terminology.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:14 pm to PaperTiger
quote:I'm talking about shifting backs and wideouts.
I agree to an extent bc motion determines man or zone and although it helps the QB, it has done nothing but confuse our own O line.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:21 pm to Lightzout87
Back when I played high school ball we switched from running I-formation to running the wing-T. Lots of offensive lineman pulling. It didn't work well for us at all at first, because our big slow lineman couldn't keep up with the speed of the linebackers and get to them.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:22 pm to Lightzout87
I guess this is what is driving me nuts. I understand the scheme and language may be different but for guys who have played football for years I just didn't understand how it could be so complex.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:25 pm to Lightzout87
I played and lettered 4 years
We switched offensive systems between my sophomore and junior year because we had a change in quarterback that fit the new system better. Were there some technical difficulties? Absolutely.
But when you have a block to make or a route to run, its about memorizing that assignment. Blocking doesnt change, catching the ball doesnt change.
Anyway, we won district that year but lost to Lutcher in the first round of the playoffs. you were talking about high school right...?
We switched offensive systems between my sophomore and junior year because we had a change in quarterback that fit the new system better. Were there some technical difficulties? Absolutely.
But when you have a block to make or a route to run, its about memorizing that assignment. Blocking doesnt change, catching the ball doesnt change.
Anyway, we won district that year but lost to Lutcher in the first round of the playoffs. you were talking about high school right...?
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:29 pm to Lightzout87
As a former player & coach, the biggest aspect is terminology.
Play calls from HS to college get incredibly more specific. The "strong right, 3-4 power" from HS is more like "deuce right, jumanji, solar, 3-4 power...48 is the mike, omaha omaha, killkillkill, red 19" in college.
A 25-45 degree step typically gets a stunt blocked in HS but guys are so much faster in college & the fundamentals combined with the terminology is a huge leap (pun intended) for players, especially young players. Some REALLY detailed coaches input scheme/terminology of blocking into their play calling to try to help the players "think" less & react based on the terminology recall. But that requires a certain type of player/unit to grasp.
Coaching & repetition is the answer for MOST teams. Really just flash cards, digital playbooks, & time is what is needed.
Play calls from HS to college get incredibly more specific. The "strong right, 3-4 power" from HS is more like "deuce right, jumanji, solar, 3-4 power...48 is the mike, omaha omaha, killkillkill, red 19" in college.
A 25-45 degree step typically gets a stunt blocked in HS but guys are so much faster in college & the fundamentals combined with the terminology is a huge leap (pun intended) for players, especially young players. Some REALLY detailed coaches input scheme/terminology of blocking into their play calling to try to help the players "think" less & react based on the terminology recall. But that requires a certain type of player/unit to grasp.
Coaching & repetition is the answer for MOST teams. Really just flash cards, digital playbooks, & time is what is needed.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:49 pm to forever lsu30
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Play calls from HS to college get incredibly more specific. The "strong right, 3-4 power" from HS is more like "deuce right, jumanji, solar, 3-4 power...48 is the mike, omaha omaha, killkillkill, red 19" in college. A 25-45 degree step typically gets a stunt blocked in HS but guys are so much faster in college & the fundamentals combined with the terminology is a huge leap (pun intended) for players, especially young players. Some REALLY detailed coaches input scheme/terminology of blocking into their play calling to try to help the players "think" less & react based on the terminology recall. But that requires a certain type of player/unit to grasp
Exactly.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:51 pm to Lightzout87
Not hard!! You scheme around you're personnel
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