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re: Who wants to point out the flaws of this healthcare bill?
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:20 pm to Adam Banks
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:20 pm to Adam Banks
It eliminates protections for those with pre-existing conditions. They cannot be denied insurance, but insurers can charge whatever they want - which effectively prices people out of the market, as nobody can afford a $100,000 premium for a cancer diagnosis.
It block grants Medicaid. This turns it into a program that would provide for your needs if you qualify into one that will face constant funding shortfalls and an inability to provide care.
The way in which it assigns the funding for block grants disproportionately penalizes those states that chose to expand Medicaid under the ACA, which means states like Louisiana end up losing money to states like Georgia (thanks for the extra money, chumps!).
It will lead to an extra 20-32 Million Americans uninsured by 2026.
It allows states to waive essential health benefits, leaving things like hospitalizations, clinic visits, prescription drugs, etc. uncovered if the insurance company so chooses. This opens up the market to the return of junk plans, which do not provide needed care in the event of illness.
It doesn't repeal ACA taxes, just shifts them around so dupes can think Republicans 'won'.
By introducing extreme variation in state to state health care systems and requirements due to block grants, it makes the Republican dream of selling health care across state lines an impossible fantasy (not that it would ever work, but to support this bill is to admit that you never want to consider it).
In short, it would make health insurance more expensive, cover fewer people, and cover fewer procedures/conditions/encounters. If you think making insurance worse, more expensive, and available to fewer Americans is worth saying you 'won', then Graham-Cassidy is for you!
It block grants Medicaid. This turns it into a program that would provide for your needs if you qualify into one that will face constant funding shortfalls and an inability to provide care.
The way in which it assigns the funding for block grants disproportionately penalizes those states that chose to expand Medicaid under the ACA, which means states like Louisiana end up losing money to states like Georgia (thanks for the extra money, chumps!).
It will lead to an extra 20-32 Million Americans uninsured by 2026.
It allows states to waive essential health benefits, leaving things like hospitalizations, clinic visits, prescription drugs, etc. uncovered if the insurance company so chooses. This opens up the market to the return of junk plans, which do not provide needed care in the event of illness.
It doesn't repeal ACA taxes, just shifts them around so dupes can think Republicans 'won'.
By introducing extreme variation in state to state health care systems and requirements due to block grants, it makes the Republican dream of selling health care across state lines an impossible fantasy (not that it would ever work, but to support this bill is to admit that you never want to consider it).
In short, it would make health insurance more expensive, cover fewer people, and cover fewer procedures/conditions/encounters. If you think making insurance worse, more expensive, and available to fewer Americans is worth saying you 'won', then Graham-Cassidy is for you!
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Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:21 pm to BamaAtl
If you hate it, then it must be better.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:22 pm to NC_Tigah
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As should have always been the case. You'll have 50 different laboratories working toward solutions, as opposed to one.
The only thing this bill does on that front is allow those experiments to go below the threshold they are currently held to, and eliminate things like the federal exchange marketplace which states could of always set up on their own. We can debate the merits of doing that, but that is all that is changing on the state experimentation front.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:23 pm to Janky
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Doesn't it get rid of the mandate, but if you need it you have to pay back premiums or something?
The mandate was always unenforceable
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:24 pm to ScottFowler
It certainly helps, but it also addresses most of the Obama care issues.
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:24 pm to bonhoeffer45
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In Louisiana, we expanded Medicaid to the tune of 450,000 people. Which Cassidy has bragged about helping.
So that lowered block grant, tied to lower inflation metrics, will likely largely go to keeping the thing afloat by funding it with increased cuts to make up the difference.
Louisiana specifically gets fricked twice. The Cassidy funding formula takes the Medicaid numbers from before Louisiana expanded Medicaid, but takes the money allocation that fricks over expansion states from after Louisiana expanded.
So you get less money for fewer people than even the formula says you should, because he picked the wrong year.
But Republicans will re-elect him, because they're ignorant sheep.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:26 pm to Tigerdev
Can you explain how it accomplishes nothing ?
Why would we evaluate it like Obamacare doesn't exist? It does and any improvements are better then none.
Why would we evaluate it like Obamacare doesn't exist? It does and any improvements are better then none.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:26 pm to Loserman
quote:Let's be crystal clear. If someone shows up with an emergency in my emergency room, he/she/they will be cared for as if they were Leon Levine, Sandra Levine, or Bill Gates. Sorry, that's just the way it is, regardless of any legislation.
It also still allows illegal aliens to be treated in emergency rooms
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:27 pm to Janky
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If you hate it, then it must be better.
This.
The BamaAtl litmus test tells me whether or not I should support.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:27 pm to tigersbb
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Most people with Obamacare policies are unable to access their coverage due to prohibitive deductibles and co - payments.
This is not true.
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Yet, the new insureds really are no better off as they must absorb large deductibles and co-payments to access their coverage
This is not true.
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In reality there may have been only 5 million newly insured.
This is not true. Multiple independent analyses back that we now have the lowest uninsured rate in our history.
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this year's true numbers of participants will continue to drop, primarily due to the cost.
This is not true.
It really is a feat that you managed to fit falsehoods into such a wall of text. You should be proud!
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:29 pm to bonhoeffer45
quote:False. You're better than that!
The only thing this bill does on that front is allow those experiments to go below the threshold
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:29 pm to Loserman
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It also still allows illegal aliens to be treated in emergency rooms
What kind of a monster doesn't want us to provide care for a human being that shows up in an ED needing care?!
Some of y'all need Jesus.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:31 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Sorry, but many people with Obamacare policies are absolutely unable to access their coverage due to prohibitive deductibles. You're simply lying.quote:This is not true.
Most people with Obamacare policies are unable to access their coverage due to prohibitive deductibles and co - payments.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:32 pm to BamaAtl
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Louisiana specifically gets fricked twice. The Cassidy funding formula takes the Medicaid numbers from before Louisiana expanded Medicaid, but takes the money allocation that fricks over expansion states from after Louisiana expanded.
I actually hadn't come across that little tidbit. I knew Cassidy had been on a round-the-clock lying tour to push this bill: lying to the press, lying about his numbers, giving senators incredibly misleading analysis to back up some of his lies.
Didn't know incompetence may be in play as well.
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:34 pm to NC_Tigah
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Sorry, but many people with Obamacare policies are absolutely unable to access their coverage due to prohibitive deductibles.
You know better than this, if you're who you claim you are.
Most was the wrong word for him to choose. Many would be fine, because 10 people could be 'many'.
In no way have 'most' people been unable to access care through ACA plans they purchased due to cost. You know this, go ahead and admit it in front of the class.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:36 pm to bonhoeffer45
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Didn't know incompetence may be in play as well.
LINK
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Like all the GOP repeal proposals before it, Gee wrote, Cassidy’s bill “uniquely and disproportionately hurts Louisiana due to our recent expansion and high burden of extreme poverty.” Gee calculates that the bill’s elimination of expansion and capping of federal funding to states would cost Louisiana $3.2 billion through 2026, making Louisiana the eighth biggest loser among all states, “and by far the poorest and sickest state affected by these cuts.”
That's Rebekah Gee, Secretary of the Department of Health of Louisiana.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:40 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Who's that?
if you're who you claim you are
quote:NO!
Most was the wrong word for him to choose. Many would be fine,
"MANY" IS WHOLLY UNACCEPTABLE !
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:42 pm to NC_Tigah
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NO!
"MANY" IS WHOLLY UNACCEPTABLE !
Many isn't a solid amount, it's a number more than a few and less than a majority.
And this bill does nothing to help those many. You -should- know that, if you're honest tonight for a start.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:45 pm to NC_Tigah
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Let's be crystal clear. If someone shows up with an emergency in my emergency room, he/she/they will be cared for as if they were Leon Levine, Sandra Levine, or Bill Gates. Sorry, that's just the way it is, regardless of any legislation.
And if they can't pay, the hospital eats the costs or shifts those costs to areas they can be compensated to make up for that loss. Maybe sells the bill for pennies on the dollar to a predatory bill collector after spending money and resources to try and collect. Raises prices to offset the forecasts of uncompensated care and the decreases in Medicaid reimbursement due to federal and state cuts.
That process is to the tune of nearly a 1000 dollars per person in additional insurance costs a year for paying customers. On top of the costs to run bankruptcy courts that hear these cases, which taxpayers foot the bill for, and the money invested in bill collections needed to try and collect these payments. Creating increases in overhead.
That free-rider problem is only made worse under Graham-Cassidy. In fact, the free-rider problem is the elephant no Republicans want to ever acknowledge is int he room of their ideas on kicking people off medicaid and raising rates on older Americans.
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 9/21/17 at 7:46 pm to BamaAtl
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LINK
Thanks. Seems facts and sourcing triggers people around here.
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